All this shows is god is one who will chose who he wishes and who he doesnt..Before they are born... For some reason, you mention how one could argue that god related it to just two people and NOT anyone else.. But in a previous post, you were making it out that god still does and he aims at a lot us us... When you wrote this previously...see below..
As you can see, you seem to think god still picks people out and leaves the rest..
Comparing a lump of clay to a human life? Really? That is a pathetic excuse.. Suggesting who are we to question god? No one has a right to tell me who I can and cannot question.. Again whoever wrote that, was being narrow minded
I'll end my discussion here after these verses. Here, Paul theorises why people are actually created for destruction - why would God make people destined for destruction? What if God created these "objects of his wrath -prepared for destruction" to show the "riches of his mercy" to those whom he "also prepared in advance for glory". He prepared certain people for destruction, in order to show glory to those who also were prepared for glory - in other words, how can we who are saved truly appreciate the massive gift of eternal life that God has given us if we didn't have an alternative (destruction) to compare it to.
That would be like- A man and woman having two children, raising one of them in a rich healthy lifestyle, giving the child everything they ever wanted..
While the other child they have, they make it suffer, lock it away treat it poorly and make the child suffer pain.. Why is this? The answer - Because they believe it is logical to do this in order to let their spoilt child see how good they have and appreciate what they have. This is meant to look good and justify harsh actions....... If social services got wind of this, those two parents would be in prison and rightly so.. But their excuse for treating an innocent child is - "We created them, who are you to question us, we are the parents not you"... Believe it or not, there are sick in the head parents that would do that and say that if caught..
My previous questions where...
Question 1 -. How does one expect others to do that IF they never get called?
Question 2 - Does this mean those who were never called to follow him, will never make it to heaven? IF so why would he ever do that to anyone, as they are not at fault, he was in control ?
Question 3 - Why is it fair for the rest to spend eternity in darkness?
Question 4 - Why make such a commandment for others to read and follow ? The bible commandments do not say, this is only aimed at a selected bunch...!
Your answer summed up is - Who are we to question god? If you wish to follow and accept that, that is your own choice.........To speak on my own behalf, I see this as a weak cop out, and proof that no decent answers could ever be given.. I would not follow anything that told me that god chooses me and not my family.. I could never feel that was fair, not if we are designed with the ability to love our family..I don't believe in leaving my family behind.
I will never understand why he would make a commandment asking everyone to follow him and he selects who he likes regardless, a tad pointless.. Yet it all comes from a religion that is big on the phrase - We are ALL equal in the eyes of god... AND He loves you !! Yea like a toothache !!
Edited by Beckys_Mom, 31 January 2013 - 12:02 PM.