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[manbearpigg]

If i am not mistaken, the code of Hammurabi is the oldest written set of laws and the first that mentions "THE GOLDEN RULE" (eye for an eye).

It seems to me that the golden rule is the oldest and only unifying element in ALL our religions. (maybe except some crazy empathy-lacking cults)

Can we create a NEW religion that embodies only that?

Organized religion has a downside, most of which is manipulation and control over the weak.
Lets start a new religion free from money, leadership, and control.
Lets just stand by the message of don't hurt people with intent.

what do you say? we can call it DGAFanity.

I think the DUDE from the Big Lebowski has a similar religion.

[Hilander]

The only golden rule I know is that Gold Rules.

[Timonthy]

Hilander, on 29 January 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

The only golden rule I know is that Gold Rules.

The only golden rule I know is: 'It's okay in a three-way'.

We can thank The Lonely Island for that one...

Edit: And please watch the YouTube clip of that song if you don't know what I'm referring to

Edited by Timonthy, 29 January 2013 - 03:29 AM.

[Likely Guy]

manbearpigg, on 29 January 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

If i am not mistaken, the code of Hammurabi is the oldest written set of laws and the first that mentions "THE GOLDEN RULE" (eye for an eye).

It seems to me that the golden rule is the oldest and only unifying element in ALL our religions. (maybe except some crazy empathy-lacking cults)

Can we create a NEW religion that embodies only that?

Organized religion has a downside, most of which is manipulation and control over the weak.
Lets start a new religion free from money, leadership, and control.
Lets just stand by the message of don't hurt people with intent.

what do you say? we can call it DGAFanity.

I think the DUDE from the Big Lebowski has a similar religion.

I appreciate your sentiments.

But to clarify, Hammurabi's Code set the law of reciprocity (If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out). In other words, the 'Golden Rule' is very different than the concept of 'an eye for an eye'.

I believe that this was literally taken as 'if I cause (accidentally or not) your eye to be put out, then mine shall be taken out as well', which isn't very fair.

Later religions/cultures refined the concept to 'do unto others as they would do unto you'.

And yes, some form of the Golden Rule is found in almost every written culture and religion.

Edited by Likely Guy, 29 January 2013 - 04:07 AM.

[_Only]

What makes you think creating another religion, even with the best intentions, would be any different down the line from every religion we have now, and have had in our history?

It'll just be one like all the others, twisted and formed to the liking of those who hold and teach it.

[Likely Guy]

Christianity:

All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
      Matthew 7:1

Confucianism: Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state.
      Analects 12:2

Buddhism: Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.
      Udana-Varga 5,1

Hinduism: This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you.
      Mahabharata 5,1517

Islam: No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.
      Sunnah

Judaism: What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellowman. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary.
      Talmud, Shabbat 3id

Taoism: Regard your neighbor’s gain as your gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss.
      Tai Shang Kan Yin P’ien

Zoroastrianism That nature alone is good which refrains from doing another whatsoever is not good for itself.
      Dadisten-I-dinik, 94,5

Source: http://www.teachingv...goldenrule.html

[The world needs you]

manbearpigg, on 29 January 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

If i am not mistaken, the code of Hammurabi is the oldest written set of laws and the first that mentions "THE GOLDEN RULE" (eye for an eye).

It seems to me that the golden rule is the oldest and only unifying element in ALL our religions. (maybe except some crazy empathy-lacking cults)

Can we create a NEW religion that embodies only that?

Organized religion has a downside, most of which is manipulation and control over the weak.
Lets start a new religion free from money, leadership, and control.
Lets just stand by the message of don't hurt people with intent.

what do you say? we can call it DGAFanity.

I think the DUDE from the Big Lebowski has a similar religion.

The platinum rule is better because it dictates one should treat others as they want to be treated. This is more challenging, you have to know someone to understand how they want to be treated.

You can create a religion around whatever you want but it will most likely, like all other religions, have limited members and thus limited influence on humanity.

In either case society is a living organism and the pricinciples it accepts or not are usually in reaction to events and attitudes that shape them or general progress.

For instance, with progress, we designed a fork and then we used it to define humanity separate from the other animals in the kingdom. So that is once principle of what it is to be human, eat with utensils.

So this goodness you achieve, golden, platinum, whatever it is, it will naturally rise to the top as humans begin to understand cooperation allows us to get farther ahead than competition as a species.

[Artaxerxes]

Quote

Christianity:

All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
  Matthew 7:1

Confucianism: Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state.
  Analects 12:2

Buddhism: Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.
  Udana-Varga 5,1

Hinduism: This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you.
  Mahabharata 5,1517

Islam: No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.
  Sunnah

Judaism: What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellowman. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary.
  Talmud, Shabbat 3id

Taoism: Regard your neighbor’s gain as your gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss.
  Tai Shang Kan Yin P’ien

Zoroastrianism That nature alone is good which refrains from doing another whatsoever is not good for itself.
  Dadisten-I-dinik, 94,5

It's interesting that Christianity is the only one that requires one to take the initiative and do something first.  All the other religions approach the golden rule from the negative as in "don't do anything to others that you wouldn't want done to yourself' whereas Christianity requires one to take initiative and do something positive for someone else.   It's the reverse of the other religions.  The other religions as long as you don't do anything harmful you are okay whereas with Christianity you are required to get up off your butt and do something good for someone else.  - Art

[wolfknight]

Do un to other before the do it to you

[redhen]

manbearpigg, on 29 January 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

I think the DUDE from the Big Lebowski has a similar religion.

You're too late. Get your copy of the Dude de Ching here.

Unlike the above link, this one is more serious and addresses your comment on the golden rule. enjoy.

[manbearpigg]

Artaxerxes, on 30 January 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

It's interesting that Christianity is the only one that requires one to take the initiative and do something first.  All the other religions approach the golden rule from the negative as in "don't do anything to others that you wouldn't want done to yourself' whereas Christianity requires one to take initiative and do something positive for someone else.   It's the reverse of the other religions.  The other religions as long as you don't do anything harmful you are okay whereas with Christianity you are required to get up off your butt and do something good for someone else.  - Art

Thats not true at all. Maabe in those specific verses and passages but many other religions like Islam (one of the five pillars) and Buddhism (8 fold path- charity) are much more active than Christianity when preaching about charitable works.

[seeder]

manbearpigg, on 29 January 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

Lets start a new religion free from money, leadership, and control.
Lets just stand by the message of don't hurt people with intent.

The bolded bit sounds a bit like communism!!

Now heres what I found for you:

"Many believe that the first ever written down code of laws was Hammurabi's code. Even Jeopardy has assert this fact. However this is incorrect. The oldest extant law code that has been found is the law code of Ur-Nammu which dates to around 2100BC (Hammurabi's law code only dates to around 1790BC). The form of the laws follow the "if...then..." format that is followed in subsequent law codes - such as Hammurabi's. For example: "if a man commits murder he must be killed" and "If a man knocks out a tooth of another man, he shall pay two shekels of silver."

While the code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest code for which we have found copies, we have found references to an older law code of which we have not found copies - the code of Urukagina. (Urukagina reigned between 2380-2360BC) While we have no copies of this code, we know some of its content from references to the laws. For example Urukagina exempted widows from paying taxes, and made it illegal for a rich man to force a poor man to sell something.

lastly, some notable dissenters:

Jesus of Nazareth: "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles."

Mahatma Gandhi: "An-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye ... ends in making everybody blind."

Martin Luther King, Jr. later used this phrase in the context of racial violence: "The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind."

In Fiddler on the Roof, the protagonist, Tevvye, replies to the phrase with "And then the whole world would be blind and toothless."

In seeders world, nobody gets bothered at all. Live and let live is my code.

Harm seeder tho, and he will kick you right in the nutz!  It works for me! Really hurt or interfere with my child, I will probably kill you. Simples!

[lightly]

Likely Guy, on 29 January 2013 - 03:54 AM, said:

I appreciate your sentiments.

But to clarify, Hammurabi's Code set the law of reciprocity(If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out). In other words, the 'Golden Rule' is very different than the concept of 'an eye for an eye'.

I believe that this was literally taken as 'if I cause (accidentally or not) your eye to be put out, then mine shall be taken out as well', which isn't very fair.

Later religions/cultures refined the concept to 'do unto others as they would do unto you'.

And yes, some form of the Golden Rule is found in almost every written culture and religion.

      Part of the concept of   Karma. That's an interesting link to Hinduism ?

Edited by lightly, 30 January 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Jinxdom]

Just an eye for an eye to a letter i for an i then change it for to a number 1 for 1. Equal value for equal value. Meaning if the value isn't equal being agreed to by each person involved don't do it.

If they try to take your eye that gives you the permission to take theirs if you want to. Permission is what changes self-defense to murder.

When people don't understand the consent part they don't like eye for an eye.

[Asadora]

The Ethic of Reciprocity -- often called the Golden Rule in Christianity -- simply states that we are to treat other people as we would wish to be treated ourselves.  Almost all organized religions have such an ethic. It is normally intended to apply to the entire human race. Unfortunately, it is too often applied by some people only to fellow believers.




---"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal."
   Dalai Lama