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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:55 PM

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There is still no way to know how many kept them.
No, but in view that of the about 20,000 Tommy guns, most sold to private citizens in the 30s, around 1200 survive (700 of which belonged to law enforcement agencies) I would say it was durn successful. And having one that is not registered after the amnesty will get you to Leavenworth, whereby you are always at the risk that some disgruntled friend, lover, spouse will report you to get you send away. Sorry, ain't worth the risk.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 January 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

No, but in view that of the about 20,000 Tommy guns, most sold to private citizens in the 30s, around 1200 survive (700 of which belonged to law enforcement agencies) I would say it was durn successful. And having one that is not registered after the amnesty will get you to Leavenworth, whereby you are always at the risk that some disgruntled friend, lover, spouse will report you to get you send away. Sorry, ain't worth the risk.

Ha, I doubt that. There isn't enough space in prison for violent, dangerous criminals who have a record as long as your arm. The don't call jail a revolving door for nothing. There would definitely be an uprising if people were being prosecuted for simply owning a gun. At the most it would be confinscated and a fine issued.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:38 PM

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Ha, I doubt that. There isn't enough space in prison for violent, dangerous criminals who have a record as long as your arm. The don't call jail a revolving door for nothing. There would definitely be an uprising if people were being prosecuted for simply owning a gun. At the most it would be confinscated and a fine issued.

The Burgess case shows the contrary. I fail to see any uprising.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

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The Burgess case shows the contrary. I fail to see any uprising.

You're resorting to Infowars now? Come on... :lol:


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

View PostMichelle, on 31 January 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

You're resorting to Infowars now? Come on... :lol:

Like the Newsminer better? No? How about the Seattle PI?

Besides that, the minimum I have found for illegal firearm possessionis probation, not  a fine, which means no more legal posession.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Like the Newsminer better? No? How about the Seattle PI?

Besides that, the minimum I have found for illegal firearm possessionis probation, not  a fine, which means no more legal posession.

They were convicted felons on parole and committing a crime...of course they are going to get the book thrown at them.

It doesn't really matter anyway, they aren't going to take away our guns.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:17 PM

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They were convicted felons on parole and committing a crime...of course they are going to get the book thrown at them.

It doesn't really matter anyway, they aren't going to take away our guns.

That is what I have been saying the whole time. This "they are coming to get me" is but a marketing ploy of the manufacturers to sell people guns they really don't need. And mostly are just about as useful.

And the guy on probation did not have a prior conviction, he just had illegal guns.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:20 PM

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That is what I have been saying the whole time. This "they are coming to get me" is but a marketing ploy of the manufacturers to sell people guns they really don't need. And mostly are just about as useful.

And the guy on probation did not have a prior conviction, he just had illegal guns.

Really? So what's all this fuss in the media and politics about then? Are they all on a gun manufacturers payroll?


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 January 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

That is what I have been saying the whole time. This "they are coming to get me" is but a marketing ploy of the manufacturers to sell people guns they really don't need. And mostly are just about as useful.

And the guy on probation did not have a prior conviction, he just had illegal guns.

You can't be on probation without being convicted of a crime.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

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Really? So what's all this fuss in the media and politics about then? Are they all on a gun manufacturers payroll?

It would not surprise me. Besides nobody is discussing taking away anybodies guns, they are talking to restrict the sale and transport of certain types of firearms and accessories. Those who have them can keep them... they just can't move them out of their house under the proposed legislation...that most probably will go nowhere. Background checks for private sales have a better chance of getting through.

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You can't be on probation without being convicted of a crime.

Scuse me, who got probation (and is on probation since)

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

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It would not surprise me. Besides nobody is discussing taking away anybodies guns, they are talking to restrict the sale and transport of certain types of firearms and accessories. Those who have them can keep them... they just can't move them out of their house under the proposed legislation...that most probably will go nowhere. Background checks for private sales have a better chance of getting through.



Scuse me, who got probation (and is on probation since)

I thought the stupidity behind the election gun rush would have been enough. Nevertheless there are big anti-gun and pro-gun movements. Both with their fair share of misinformation and ignorance.

But in the turn that the freedoms of the is citizens are being taken away more by more each year. I'd want to be armed to defend my home in that case. How many more times can the government poke the bull with a stick?


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:34 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 January 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

And the guy on probation did not have a prior conviction, he just had illegal guns.

In every one of those cases the men were convicted felons.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

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I thought the stupidity behind the election gun rush would have been enough. Nevertheless there are big anti-gun and pro-gun movements. Both with their fair share of misinformation and ignorance.

But in the turn that the freedoms of the is citizens are being taken away more by more each year. I'd want to be armed to defend my home in that case. How many more times can the government poke the bull with a stick?

Laws are enacted when certain types of items are dangerous for the public at large. See the prohibition of automatic weapons. Auto Ordnance was selling the Tommy gun freely to anybody in the US during the 20s and 30s (and if you look at old papers of the time they praised the Thompson sub machine gun as the "perfect vermin control"). When the Mafia started using them to shoot up their competitors injuring bystanders they were outlawed. Nothing happened to the gun culture except that there was no more "perfect vermin control"

And the tighter a place gets populated, the tighter a place is packed with people, the more of your "freedoms" you have to give up to not injure others. That some things are questionable, yes, but certainly on average all those restrictions become necessary.I f you don't like restrictions you have to move somewhere where there is nobody you can bother.

Last but not least, the reelection gun hype is the 08 gun hype reloaded, when Obama was elected the first time there was a rush on guns because he "came to take them away" and in '12 it was a super rush. And all started by the mouthpieces of the manufacturers.

View PostMichelle, on 31 January 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

In every one of those cases the men were convicted felons.

True, but as you see, when there is a mandatory felony sentence you won't get away with a fine.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

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True, but as you see, when there is a mandatory felony sentence you won't get away with a fine.

It's a good thing I'm not a felon. :P  I don't know how to make this more clear...you don't get a felony sentence unless you are a felon on probation. They are not, under any circumstances, supposed to have any access to guns...period. Once their probation is over they can.

I don't see any point in discussing what could be the penalties if they oulawed all guns and an upstanding citizen was caught with one, do you?


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:07 PM

View PostMichelle, on 31 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

It's a good thing I'm not a felon. :P  I don't know how to make this more clear...you don't get a felony sentence unless you are a felon on probation. They are not, under any circumstances, supposed to have any access to guns...period. Once their probation is over they can.

I don't see any point in discussing what could be the penalties if they oulawed all guns and an upstanding citizen was caught with one, do you?

I think it's important to discuss because if you ban some, then you are the slippery slope to banning more and more. We should follow that to its logical conclusion and ask if that's the direction we want to go.

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