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#76    Michelle

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

View PostOrder66, on 31 January 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

I think it's important to discuss because if you ban some, then you are the slippery slope to banning more and more. We should follow that to its logical conclusion and ask if that's the direction we want to go.

Since I've already given my opinion on what I think it would be like ya'll can carry on. Besides,I don't believe all guns will ever be outlawed. I could be wrong...I was once before in 2004. :whistle:

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

View PostMichelle, on 31 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

It's a good thing I'm not a felon. :P  I don't know how to make this more clear...you don't get a felony sentence unless you are a felon on probation. They are not, under any circumstances, supposed to have any access to guns...period. Once their probation is over they can.

I don't see any point in discussing what could be the penalties if they oulawed all guns and an upstanding citizen was caught with one, do you?

Oh, I am just calling you on that "police will not collect guns from law abiding citizens and if they do there will be a revolution". History tells us that neither is true. And that includes the history of the US. I don't think it will happen in a foreseeable future. But we don't know what will happen when the US is some day as densely populated as Japan now.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 January 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Oh, I am just calling you on that "police will not collect guns from law abiding citizens and if they do there will be a revolution". History tells us that neither is true. And that includes the history of the US. I don't think it will happen in a foreseeable future. But we don't know what will happen when the US is some day as densely populated as Japan now.

The only point I was making is that they won't come to your house looking for them for no reason. You'd have to be doing something really stupid. If they started on a grid, searching neighborhood by neighborhood, I can almost guarantee there would be a mighty stink and a lot of police would refuse to do so...since we are talking about "what if's".

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:38 PM

Well if he did then everybody would know about it cause someone will say something.  A war is coming, it will begin with something unforseen and no one will take responsability for.  Everything else you see is just pointing fingers.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:15 PM

So some random person calls up a shown known to the paranoid and anti-government, claims that the government is gonna get 'em, and everyone freaks out? Yeah this is no more creditable than the last dozen threads about the government planning to kill American citizens.

And you notice it always seems to be the US. I don't think I've ever heard of any secret plots by the Canadian government to round up or kill a bunch of people for no real reason.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

View PostCorp, on 31 January 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

So some random person calls up a shown known to the paranoid and anti-government, claims that the government is gonna get 'em, and everyone freaks out? Yeah this is no more creditable than the last dozen threads about the government planning to kill American citizens.

And you notice it always seems to be the US. I don't think I've ever heard of any secret plots by the Canadian government to round up or kill a bunch of people for no real reason.

you cannot condition people into being afraid of all and everything without it having consequences.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

Here is an example of how most LEO deal with civilians and guns. If you are pulled over for say speeding, it is preferable to tell them if you have a gun in the car. They get upset if they discover you have one and didn't tell them, because that usually means you have something to hide. It is illegal to carry a gun in the car without a carry permit, unless it is unloaded and inaccessible. Nine times out of ten the officer will not ask to see your carry permit unless you become a complete jerk. At that point they might ask to see it so they can charge you with something else.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

Just my thought...but wouldn't the gov have easier ways of "crowd control" or even large cities... like spikeing the water systems with some kind of sleeping chemicals or even sleeping gases..before they even attempt conflict with large number of people? They have several ways of "control" without our knowlege of it?
(If...I say IF they really wanted to)? I mean they have technology ... that we could only dream of!

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:49 PM

View Postcharmcph, on 31 January 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

Just my thought...but wouldn't the gov have easier ways of "crowd control" or even large cities... like spikeing the water systems with some kind of sleeping chemicals or even sleeping gases..before they even attempt conflict with large number of people? They have several ways of "control" without our knowlege of it?
(If...I say IF they really wanted to)? I mean they have technology ... that we could only dream of!
Then we collect rain water and drink from streams. That plot is identical to every plot the Penguin and the Joker ever tried to pull against the people of Gotham. Watch any 5 episodes of the 1960s Batman show and I'll bet you see that plot 3 times.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:04 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 31 January 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

Then we collect rain water and drink from streams. That plot is identical to every plot the Penguin and the Joker ever tried to pull against the people of Gotham. Watch any 5 episodes of the 1960s Batman show and I'll bet you see that plot 3 times.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:08 PM

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Lol, yea without disinfecting. And just what is your option if your cities water supply was poisoned?

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:09 PM

View PostCorp, on 31 January 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

So some random person calls up a shown known to the paranoid and anti-government, claims that the government is gonna get 'em, and everyone freaks out? Yeah this is no more creditable than the last dozen threads about the government planning to kill American citizens.

And you notice it always seems to be the US. I don't think I've ever heard of any secret plots by the Canadian government to round up or kill a bunch of people for no real reason.

As soon as I saw CoastToCoast I quit taking it seriously. I love to listen to that program when I'm on the road late at night because I find it highly entertaining, but I can't really take any of it seriously.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 31 January 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Lol, yea without disinfecting. And just what is your option if your cities water supply was poisoned?

I am accustomed to water out of wells and streams. My digestion would not have any problems :devil:

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:19 AM

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Laws are enacted when certain types of items are dangerous for the public at large. See the prohibition of automatic weapons. Auto Ordnance was selling the Tommy gun freely to anybody in the US during the 20s and 30s (and if you look at old papers of the time they praised the Thompson sub machine gun as the "perfect vermin control"). When the Mafia started using them to shoot up their competitors injuring bystanders they were outlawed. Nothing happened to the gun culture except that there was no more "perfect vermin control"

And the tighter a place gets populated, the tighter a place is packed with people, the more of your "freedoms" you have to give up to not injure others. That some things are questionable, yes, but certainly on average all those restrictions become necessary.I f you don't like restrictions you have to move somewhere where there is nobody you can bother.

Last but not least, the reelection gun hype is the 08 gun hype reloaded, when Obama was elected the first time there was a rush on guns because he "came to take them away" and in '12 it was a super rush. And all started by the mouthpieces of the manufacturers.


As I see it, post 9/11 was probably where the most freedoms and liberties were taken away for no reason from US citizens. Te media pushed this terrorism bs to make out more of it than the threat is. The media is an extremely powerful tool and the government knows this. They asked people on the streets and they were completely willing to sacrifice their freedoms and liberties without question.

The mafia are a criminal organisation. Criminals disregard the law, that is what they do.

Are you telling me the NDAA and patriot act are ok?

They directly conflict with basic human rights. The funny thing is, the US go overseas to overthrow leaders that violate human rights yet they are the biggest hypocrites in the whole situation.

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Some of the restrictions and regulations I could live with and are reasonable. But what I've seen being out through is bordering on totalitarianism. You could almost liken the US to becoming a facist state.

This is not paranoia, this is all completely observable and the information freely available.


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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:49 AM

@Michelle regarding felons and firearms.

You are incorrect. Once a felon you can never again own a firearm regardless of what that felony was or how much time went by. This also includes some misdemeanors as well.Some state laws allow felons to gain there gun rights back but it is a Federal offense for a felon to own a firearm. Background checks which are Federal checks and not State checks makes it so Felons cannot legally buy a firearm regardless of what there "hardship" might be. They can still possess there previously owned firearms but are in violation of Federal Law.

Thats how they hit career criminals with 35 year Federal sentences. It all has to do with felons having firearms. 3 felonies+Firearm= 35 Federal years.

Not saying many felons should own firearms but there was a little thing back when the Constitution was made that taking an individuals right to bear arms away was to be determined on a case by case basis. We have chosen to ignore that part and just blanket ban them for a group of the population. Next it will be Illegal immigrants cant own firearms. Then Fat people.

Once they find a way to violate the constitution and get away with it they will just let it rest until the day they need to ban all Fat people from owning firearms. So beware of getting an obese diagnosis from your doctor. Your already going to get fined for it by paying higher premiums under Obamacare.





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