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Horse meat could still be on sale in Britain

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:13 PM

Food Service, one of Poland’s biggest meat processors, is suspected by Irish authorities to be the source of beef products that contained up to a third horse meat, it can be disclosed.

Marek Czerniej, one of the company’s owners, on Friday told this newspaper that it supplies half a dozen companies in Britain with hamburger meat.

He refused to name them, however, saying that the information was a “trade secret”.

http://www.telegraph...in-Britain.html

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:41 PM

Is this just a money making effort or is horse meat some kind of delicacy in Poland?  I would be very angry to discover that I had been fed horse for beef.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:54 PM

View PostStill Waters, on 02 February 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Food Service, one of Poland’s biggest meat processors, is suspected by Irish authorities to be the source of beef products that contained up to a third horse meat, it can be disclosed.

Marek Czerniej, one of the company’s owners, on Friday told this newspaper that it supplies half a dozen companies in Britain with hamburger meat.

He refused to name them, however, saying that the information was a “trade secret”.

http://www.telegraph...in-Britain.html

I've eaten 100s of cheeseburgers from Tesco

Neighver mind its too late to do anything about it.

View Postand then, on 02 February 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Is this just a money making effort or is horse meat some kind of delicacy in Poland?  I would be very angry to discover that I had been fed horse for beef.

Some central European countries put horse meat in their spicy sausages.


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

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Eating horse meat per se isn't the real problem (except for personal sensibilities), but the worry is the lack of traceability of the product. When horse meat is legally used for human consumption, the origin of the animals are known and are provably safe. In the recent cases of 'contamination', the origins are not clear and therefore suspect. For instance, certain drugs and medications are given to horses during their lives which can prove harmful to humans, such as Chloramphemicol (prescribed for sport horses with respiratory problems and can cause aplastic anemia in humans).  Banamin is another substance given to horses which has been linked to bowel cancer. (And, trust me, you really don't want to know about Trichinosis!)

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

View Postealdwita, on 02 February 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

Eating horse meat per se isn't the real problem (except for personal sensibilities), but the worry is the lack of traceability of the product. When horse meat is legally used for human consumption, the origin of the animals are known and are provably safe. In the recent cases of 'contamination', the origins are not clear and therefore suspect. For instance, certain drugs and medications are given to horses during their lives which can prove harmful to humans, such as Chloramphemicol (prescribed for sport horses with respiratory problems and can cause aplastic anemia in humans).  Banamin is another substance given to horses which has been linked to bowel cancer. (And, trust me, you really don't want to know about Trichinosis!)

Hit me with it, what can I expect from Trichinosis?

If it makes me run fast it'll come in handy lol


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:41 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 02 February 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Hit me with it, what can I expect from Trichinosis?

If it makes me run fast it'll come in handy lol

Perforated guts, eaten up muscle mass, painful death.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:42 PM

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Perforated guts, eaten up muscle mass, painful death.

Yikes!


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:43 PM

Vietnamese (mostly in the North) eat dogmeat, and efforts to discourage it because it is unhealthy are treated much like some Americans treat those who would take away the handguns.

I would only eat very well cooked pork or rat meat because they are omnivores.  As you move up the food chain the chances of a nasty parasite increases.  There is also a similar problem from eating wild animals.

Now to horse meat.  I never heard of such a thing, I guess because once military calvary became obsolete the horse pretty much disappeared.  The animal of burden (assuming the farmer is really behind the times) is a water buffalo, and you do see one of them every now and then.

Buddhism puts a special ethical burden on those who eat animals who have been previously used as beasts of burden.  I doubt that that would stop a typical farmer.

I've never been offered horse meat; it would be way too expensive.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

I don't mind eating Nag Bol, as long as 'horse meat' is included in the list of ingredients.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

What's wrong with eating horsemeat? Matthew Broderick did it for years and he seems healthy as a horse. :P

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

View Postand then, on 02 February 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Is this just a money making effort or is horse meat some kind of delicacy in Poland?

Horsemeat is a delicacy throughout Continental Europe.  Have you ever been to France?  If you have, you'd have seen it on sale at almost every butchers.  Around 200,000 horses are slaughtered for meat annually in Europe, half in Italy. France, Spain and the Netherlands also have many horse abbatoirs.

During WWII, it was also eaten in Britain when other meats were rationed.  British soldiers ate it, too.  It was quite popular in Britain from the the 19th century until the 1940s.

Horsemeat is also very good for you.  It is packed with protein, iron and Omega 3 fatty acids.

In fact, the British are almost unique in Europe for their silly aversion to eating horsemeat.  We have no problem eating cows and sheep and chickens but, for some silly reason, we seem to be horrified at the prospect of eating horse.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:38 PM

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Horsemeat is a delicacy throughout Continental Europe.  Have you ever been to France?  If you have, you'd have seen it on sale at almost every butchers.  Around 200,000 horses are slaughtered for meat annually in Europe, half in Italy. France, Spain and the Netherlands also have many horse abbatoirs.

During WWII, it was also eaten in Britain when other meats were rationed.  British soldiers ate it, too.  It was quite popular in Britain from the the 19th century until the 1940s.

Horsemeat is also very good for you.  It is packed with protein, iron and Omega 3 fatty acids.

In fact, the British are almost unique in Europe for their silly aversion to eating horsemeat.  We have no problem eating cows and sheep and chickens but, for some silly reason, we seem to be horrified at the prospect of eating horse.

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So your going to risk perforated guts,eaten up muscle mass and sudden death.
With any kind of unregistered meat that's not meant to be consumed in your respective country there's bound to be something dodgy about it.
If the meat was registered in our country as an official food source those chemicals that Ealdwita mentioned will vanish.
However we are talking about France here where frog legs and snails are considered haute cuisine.
Check out the rest of Ealdwita's post because you might get some much needed wisdom.
The reason why the taste of horsemeat is abhorrent to Brits is because we are a nation of animal lovers.
And besides as well as being pleasant to the eye you can ride them anywhere apart from  up a mountain.
You might have to get your iron,protein and Omega 3 Fatty acids from an other source.
Do you fancy a spot of channel hopping if chopped liver isn't your thing?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:53 PM

in related news:

The Telegraph said:

Findus beef lasagne was up to 100 per cent horse meat

Testing on Findus beef lasagne has revealed the meals contain up to 100 per cent horse meat, the Food Standards Agency (FSA) has said.



Shoppers who bought the lasagne meals, which are produced by French food supplier Comigel on behalf of Findus, have now been warned not to eat them.


Retail giant Tesco and discount chain Aldi withdrew a range of ready meals produced by Comigel over fears they contained contaminated meat.


The FSA said there is no evidence to suggest the horse meat found is a food safety risk.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

was thinking of starting a thread about Findus, but now you have mentioned it here, this is good enough, too many threads on the same subjects anyway.

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Edited by freetoroam, 07 February 2013 - 08:23 PM.

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