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[Timonthy]

Are believers in the paranormal open to the idea that all paranormal phenomena can be explained by some normal physical or psychological happening?

I'm talking about things like hallucinations, mistaken reflections, unknown noises or shadows etc.
How about the idea that natural geological formations which exhibit higher EM readings somehow mess with peoples minds - rather than the higher readings being 'proof' of something more unexplainable.
Or that 'signs' that a building is haunted may have a very real and rational physical cause?

I'm not saying these things definitely aren't real - I just want to see if anyone can come up with anything that really has no possible known explanation!

[Simbi Laveau]

I think it depends upon each case ,as a unique case .This is the point of debunking ,but making a broad statement such as : all ghost sightings are caused by static energy in the air from a lightening storm ,is not a good enough reason for me to dismiss all ghost sightings as just this explanation .....

[Simbi Laveau]

Wait,I think I misread the question ....yeah I did ...there are a lot of examples of unexplainable stuff .Again,depends upon the case.

[Timonthy]

Simbi Laveau, on 06 February 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

Wait,I think I misread the question ....yeah I did ...there are a lot of examples of unexplainable stuff .Again,depends upon the case.

Hey Simbi.

Yeah I'm just saying that potentially all cases could be explained by something 'normal'. I'm pretty skeptical about anything paranormal!

That 'science says no to ghosts' thread is a similar idea.

Edit: I want the people who have voted 'yes' to give examples

Edited by Timonthy, 06 February 2013 - 11:55 AM.

[Asadora]

By definition paranormal is: of or pertaining to the claimed occurrence of an event or perception without scientific explanation, as psychokinesis, extrasensory perception, or other purportedly supernatural phenomena.

That of which is paranormal is -outside- of the realm that is considered 'normal'. The way I see it, if science can prove it or even generate a hypothesis or give great detail in -how- it -could- be possible then I would not consider that as 'paranormal'.

What I do consider paranormal is that of which is unexplainable  ... absolutely unexplainable. However, there are times within the realm of 'normal' that I would consider more para than actually normal.


"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."
--Carl Sagan

[Simbi Laveau]

Timonthy, on 06 February 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Hey Simbi.

Yeah I'm just saying that potentially all cases could be explained by something 'normal'. I'm pretty skeptical about anything paranormal!

That 'science says no to ghosts' thread is a similar idea.

Edit: I want the people who have voted 'yes' to give examples

Well,I would say events that had witnesses where it was a wild event,can recount it to someone who wasn't there ,and they can think of a reasonable cause,but in some cases,if they didn't witness it,and they are just being logical ,I don't think they can properly comment,given they weren't there...
Like for instance ,I'm sitting somewhere in my home ,and suddenly the room fills with the smell of roses ,or I heard a crash that sounds like a sonic boom ,or the unplugged boom box turns on .
I know my house ,I've had everything checked ,and yet this weird stuff occurs.
There's no rose perfume .I have. no medical issues causing sensory proplems .
There's no explanation for the crash noise ,nothing fell ,broke or crashed ,and the boom box is unplugged :..
There's not enough static in the city to turn it on unplugged.
I and in  one case,one other person saw these events .
I know theres no other explanation,but someone who doesnt believe in anything ,despite not seeing it all,will insist theres a logical explanation to all these events.

Unless a non believer sees something for themselves ,its very hard to convince them otherwise .
And thats ususally how non believers are converted.
It finally happens to them . I still have high hopes a ghost is going to bite you ,sakari ,and orangepeaceful ,on the butt

[Ryinrea]

I can say not everything is paranormal. I normaly go in to a house to debunk to give the familes normal explaintions. And try my best in providing the family with an resonable amount of explations, if all else fails then and only then would, I consider a haunting.


I use science to prove; what these people are saying is, true. Mostly it is away too prove my hypothize is correct.
I belive ghost are a gilmps into a paralle universe.

[stevemagegod]

Can you reword the title? Because the reason why something is Paranormal is Because we don't know how to explain it lol.

Edited by stevemagegod, 06 February 2013 - 08:06 PM.

[lone wolf2]

I had a damaged  interior door giving off emf where it was damaged.  I checked around the door for another source and  removed the door and checked it again. Just to make sure it was the door. I also dismantled the door and checked inside found nothing unusual. Just wood ,  card board and glue.   Fhe emf was only coming from the damaged area.
  ;

[lone wolf2]

Last time i checked. Only certain metals can be magnetized.   Or electricity gives off magnetic fields

[JGirl]

some things just defy explanation. that doesn't mean that they are paranormal, and it doesn't mean they aren't. just that we don't have the answer.

[JGirl]

lone wolf2, on 07 February 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

I had a damaged  interior door giving off emf where it was damaged.  I checked around the door for another source and  removed the door and checked it again. Just to make sure it was the door. I also dismantled the door and checked inside found nothing unusual. Just wood ,  card board and glue.   Fhe emf was only coming from the damaged area.
  ;

you actually took a door apart in your house out of curiosity.
wow.

[Moon Gazer]

I believe in the Paranormal, as in I believe that there are spirits and things beyond just this life that we live and see everyday.  However I am more of a "need to see it to believe" kind of person.  I have had a few experiences that make me believe this.  One was seeing an old guy stood at a bus stop and then he completely vanished.  I realise it could be an hallicination but I am also open to the idea that it could have been a spirit.

I've really not been able to find a plausable explanation for some events I exerienced in a flat that I used to live in.  I'm open to some ideas but one incident in paricular (the shoes thing) I just cannot explain.  I posted about it a while back on here http://www.unexplain...topic=198961=

Edited by Moon Gazer, 08 February 2013 - 02:19 PM.

[Hilander]

I very much believe in the paranormal after witnessing a ghost, before that not so much.  I still live in the same house and have seen nothing since.  There was no other explanations for what I saw.  Well I guess you come up with one but it wouldn't be a credible explanation it would just be a non believer trying to stop me from believing.

[Italian Paranormal]

I do believe there are some things out there that can be not explained specifically because either not all the information is gathered that can come up with a reasonable agreement. For instance, falling asleep and waking up with a gouge in your back that has been scabbed over. At first it is hot to the touch, but realize that whatever gouged your back, it's not really known...but a better example, is this: Going into a room, challenging something that is not seen, and finding yourself picked up and thrown in a door. no drafts, no air, nothing in front of you, behind you. You didn't slip on anything. right before it happened, you feel a cold breeze pass through you and felt as if someone's hand was pressed against you, and you look in the mirror and there are hand markings from whatever just touched you. You didn't spirit travel, you didn't wake up from it. It wasn't sleep paralysis, or your mind thinking it happened. When things you don't see leave physical evidence that you don't know how it got there, or more so, doesn't even need to be a physical sign. What would you call Intuition? What do you call the feeling where all your hair stands up? what about fear? you can't see it, but you can express it. it isn't physical. Only expression is physically seen.  So what is beyond normal? Some consider normal one thing, and everyone else can look at this person as abnormal. It depends on alot of things. I am a skeptic at some things, but i also don't dismiss something just because i don't know how to test its properties either.
I understand there are some things that we just haven't got into it enough to be able to do it. Just because some don't believe in that, doesn't mean everyone else will either. I think this in itself is a controversy....Everyone has their opinions.