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#76    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:53 PM

View Postpraetorian-legio XIII, on 07 February 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

To BM this is the post I was referring to

I took both his posts into account..

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:08 PM

I would gladly "pull the handle", on crimes deserving the death penalty,without pay.Hang 'em high.They dont deserve any better.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:37 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 06 February 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:



I do support the death penalty for certain crimes...But if I knew someone who tortured. raped and killed small kids would want it more, I would make them live in misery for the rest of their prison days
But how much more good could you do for the victims if you used the money that would keep the perp alive to care/councel the victim?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:20 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 February 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:



UK - Abolished for all crimes except treason and witchcraft.

I'm all for execution for any criminal who would have got 5+ years in prison.
Your having a giraffe.
You get the death penalty for witchcraft.
How can they justify putting Wiccans in front of a firing squad.
There's nothing at all satanic about what they do but tbh I thnk they are turning a blind eye.
That law if it exists is even more archaic than the treason one.
However on the flip side there is proper devil worshipping going on and black arts being practised.
There's also the imported practice from Africa called Muta.

Btw did you get that five year thing from Bronson's failed rehabilation in prison?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:48 PM

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I do support the death penalty for certain crimes...But if I knew someone who tortured. raped and killed small kids would want it more, I would make them live in misery for the rest of their prison days
I think I'm just more vindictive than you. If its hanous enough to warrant the DP, then death is just to easy. I guess i just can't see death as a svere punishment. If someone murdered my family, I still would not want them
Killed. Though you might have to stop me from doing it for a while. They are going to die anyway, I want them to be isolated with themselves for the rest of their lives. Honestly, if Somone killed my family I would beg the courts not to kill him. I guess I just view death differently.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

View Postglorybebe, on 07 February 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

But how much more good could you do for the victims if you used the money that would keep the perp alive to care/councel the victim?

It doesn't cost much money to leave them in a hole and treat them like the scum they are ....I would prolong their sentence and make them suffer twice as much as they made their victims suffer  .In the end, they face the penalty.of death, just like they did with their little victims.. They made their victims suffer long before killing them ..  Too many ( I am sure ) think well it's the death penalty, quick and easy, it will be over with in no time.

View PostSeeker79, on 07 February 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

I think I'm just more vindictive than you. If its hanous enough to warrant the DP, then death is just to easy. I guess i just can't see death as a svere punishment. If someone murdered my family, I still would not want them
Killed. Though you might have to stop me from doing it for a while. They are going to die anyway, I want them to be isolated with themselves for the rest of their lives. Honestly, if Somone killed my family I would beg the courts not to kill him. I guess I just view death differently.


I would want therm put to death  AFTER a stretch in prison first..

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:48 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 07 February 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:



It doesn't cost much money to leave them in a hole and treat them like the scum they are ....I would prolong their sentence and make them suffer twice as much as they made their victims suffer  .In the end, they face the penalty.of death, just like they did with their little victims.. They made their victims suffer long before killing them ..  Too many ( I am sure ) think well it's the death penalty, quick and easy, it will be over with in no time.


Yes

I would want therm put to death  AFTER a stretch in prison first..
Got it, knowing you are going to be executed has it's merits.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:35 AM

the perfect deatrh sentence/  ten stripes with a bull whip, then tie them to a fire ant hill and pour honey over them,
Then walk away. when the bones are clean in a couple weeks grind them up and use them as multch.



  edited to add
  as i mentioned in a previous post i went to high school with one of the the Green river victims.

Edited by mysticwerewolf, 08 February 2013 - 12:38 AM.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:56 AM

View Postmysticwerewolf, on 08 February 2013 - 12:35 AM, said:

the perfect deatrh sentence/  ten stripes with a bull whip, then tie them to a fire ant hill and pour honey over them,
Then walk away. when the bones are clean in a couple weeks grind them up and use them as multch.



  edited to add
  as i mentioned in a previous post i went to high school with one of the the Green river victims.
  Aha, a bit blood thirsty but I understand your loss, but being a bit civilised I would give them a date,then when that came up, give them another,just to make them sweat a bit,then on the third date execute as they would be expecting another reprieve.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:32 AM

What, castration isn't an option?


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:50 AM

Yes, we need a universal moratorium for a few years.  Then maybe we could look at the question again in a sober way, without the emotions.

I think there will be rare occasions when an execution is essential, for the good of the society.  Some crimes are just too horrific to be dealt with otherwise.  But they should be extraordinarily rare and it should not be the judicial process that decides.  Once the judicial process has convicted someone of a capital crime, then the chief political officer of the jurisdiction (Governor or President or other Head of State) should have a limited power to sign a few death warrants each year.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:36 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 08 February 2013 - 03:50 AM, said:

Yes, we need a universal moratorium for a few years.  Then maybe we could look at the question again in a sober way, without the emotions.

I think there will be rare occasions when an execution is essential, for the good of the society.  Some crimes are just too horrific to be dealt with otherwise.  But they should be extraordinarily rare and it should not be the judicial process that decides.  Once the judicial process has convicted someone of a capital crime, then the chief political officer of the jurisdiction (Governor or President or other Head of State) should have a limited power to sign a few death warrants each year.
Why not vote on it?

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:42 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 08 February 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

Why not vote on it?
Huh?  Someone would have to have the power to initiate the process, and then you would in many jurisdictions have hundreds a votes a year.  This is better as part of an elected executive's job.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:03 AM

View Postglorybebe, on 06 February 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

I still maintain we need to stop thinking of it as punishment.  It is protection for society from the people who cannot or will not live by the laws of the land.
law breakers should be "penalised" in anumber of ways. First restorative justice where as far as possible they make amends for their crimes.

Secondly a certain amount of punishment designed to make people think twice about commitng a crime in the first place; and third call that alos retributive justice because tha tis how people expect those who break social laws to be treated  they expect there to be retribution for such crimes.
LAst but not least ther must be an educative component, where the justice systems educate criminals, both in general terms so they have less need to break the law, but also in social terms so they better understand why it is harmful and destructive to do so.
Protection for society is certainly important along with publidc perception tha this protection actually works But a person wh does something wrong needs to understand that there will be consequences for any wrong doing, enforced by their society on them. However, in principle suppose a man killed on an island, where only he and his victim lived. Should he not  still lose his freedom, or even his life, even though there is no one else for him to harm.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:08 AM

The concept of punishment is inextricably linked with our concept of justice.  Indeed, without punishment it is almost impossible to relieve guilt.

Whether what society does when it puts someone in jail or fines them or executes them is "punishment" is arguable.  If it is deterrence, the difference is indistinguishable.  If it is for rehabilitation, then society doesn't seem to take its responsibility very seriously, probably because efforts at rehabilitation are so universally unsuccessful.  If it is just to take the criminal out of circulation until they grow up, it does seem to work, except that so often the criminal learns to be a criminal while in jail.





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