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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

View PostAmerix, on 07 February 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

Alien Overlord:   "My fellow [Insert Alien Species here], the time has come for us to make history.  We should mark this monumental occasion by contacting the human species in the most informative way possible!  Does anyone have any suggestions?

Alien Underling 1:  "Dear overlord!  We should use our superior technology to beam images into their minds, letting them know we are here, and we are their friends, and that we wish to share our wisdom with them!"

Alien Underling 2:  *COUGH COUGH*.. this is some goood stuff man.. I say we travel a billion light years and make funny shapes in their corn fields.. *PUUUUFFF*

Alien Overlord:  "We have a winner!  Gather our fastest ships and go draw stuff in their corn fields.. *PUUUUUF*...

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That's what I think of when I think of the nuts who believe in crop circles.

I did have to get on this one, cause it's so close to the truth it's hilarious.

The famous or infamous (whichever rocks your boat) Dr. Eltjo H. Haselhoff, is actually dutch and not russian. In my opinion he has partaken a little too much of the medicinal herbs.......

As to Billy Meier, well a few facts about th man.......his wife Kalliope stated in an interview, that the UFO in the photos looked like models that Meier had made himself with items like trash can lids, carpet tacks and other household objects, and that the stories he told of his adventures with the aliens had been entirely fictitious.
She has also claimed that one of the pictures taken of an "extraterrestrial female" was actually an acquaintance covered in tanning foil.
Also, photos claimed to be Asket and Nera was actually two The Golddiggers dancer-Michelle Della Fave and Susan Lund.

So yes rather discredited here.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:35 PM

Of course, believers will tell you those photos were Meier recreating the real photos after they were "lost" or "stolen".

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 07 February 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Of course, believers will tell you those photos were Meier recreating the real photos after they were "lost" or "stolen".

that's a given. However it does not make him less of a liar and fraud.....

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 07 February 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Of course, believers will tell you those photos were Meier recreating the real photos after they were "lost" or "stolen".

He (Billy) actually did that,... claimed that the dinosaur and Dean Martin girl was planted by the CIA to discredit him.

Funny thing was, this was much later, just around the time when people started to find out where the photos really came from.

Edited by Hazzard, 07 February 2013 - 11:20 PM.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:57 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 07 February 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

I did have to get on this one, cause it's so close to the truth it's hilarious.

The famous or infamous (whichever rocks your boat) Dr. Eltjo H. Haselhoff, is actually dutch and not russian. In my opinion he has partaken a little too much of the medicinal herbs.......

As to Billy Meier, well a few facts about th man.......his wife Kalliope stated in an interview, that the UFO in the photos looked like models that Meier had made himself with items like trash can lids, carpet tacks and other household objects, and that the stories he told of his adventures with the aliens had been entirely fictitious.
She has also claimed that one of the pictures taken of an "extraterrestrial female" was actually an acquaintance covered in tanning foil.
Also, photos claimed to be Asket and Nera was actually two The Golddiggers dancer-Michelle Della Fave and Susan Lund.

So yes rather discredited here.

A bit of interesting information about skeptics of the Billy Meier case can be found here:

http://www.theyfly.c...tical-challenge

There is a lot to read in this website including:

Final Proof Meier's UFO Photos Genuine!

The Billy Meier 'Hoax' Exposed?

Skeptics at IIG Caught Falsifying Evidence!

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:28 AM

View PostCT1993, on 07 February 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Wow your guy's responses are very disturbing the fact that you can't take this seriously and feel you need to joke about other people lives but! what am i to expect from a site where anyone can join and talk smack with no expertise at all to professionally examine and reasearch phenomeom i think i'll take my topic's elsewhere from now on (shakes head)

If you have such a negative opinion of the present UM members, why are you also a member?

Also, why do you feel that some of the responses are "disturbing"?  In what way?

Our light hearted jokes may not be indicative of our beliefs.  For example I am a believer of life outside of earth, I just don't believe that these scientists have cracked a code from ETs telling us to behave or else.  Doesn't make sense.

If this message us for the sake of humanity why be so mysterious?  why not confirm their existence and come straight out with the message?

Also, indeed the worlds super powers are high tech and the message would spread quickly but what about the people that live in the Amazon?  Tribes in Africa that are untouched by technology?  The Nomads in the desert?  Our is it that these people don't count, that the message doesn't apply to them for some reason?

If these ETs are prejudiced then maybe we should not listen to them.

Basically, I'm saying no one should believe anything without questioning first and skepticism is healthy.

And that it's rude to make comments like yours.










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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:29 AM

View Postacriasis, on 07 February 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

It might be that I'm a fan of Doctor Who and of older science fiction films and TV shows in general, but I know "forced perspective" when I see it. That's when you put something small near a camera and something big in the background, it makes the small thing look bigger then the thing in the background.
It's easy to do. My students could do it. The model's fairly simplistic too.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:45 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 08 February 2013 - 12:28 AM, said:

If you have such a negative opinion of the present UM members, why are you also a member?

Also, why do you feel that some of the responses are "disturbing"?  In what way?

Our light hearted jokes may not be indicative of our beliefs.  For example I am a believer of life outside of earth, I just don't believe that these scientists have cracked a code from ETs telling us to behave or else.  Doesn't make sense.

If this message us for the sake of humanity why be so mysterious?  why not confirm their existence and come straight out with the message?

Also, indeed the worlds super powers are high tech and the message would spread quickly but what about the people that live in the Amazon?  Tribes in Africa that are untouched by technology?  The Nomads in the desert?  Our is it that these people don't count, that the message doesn't apply to them for some reason?

If these ETs are prejudiced then maybe we should not listen to them.

Basically, I'm saying no one should believe anything without questioning first and skepticism is healthy.

And that it's rude to make comments like yours.


Why be so mysterious you ask? well first of all a higher civilization would be surly prohibited from making contact with a developing race (us) for the sake of changing there natural evolution unless abselutly necessary. (our total destruction) So what better way to send a message without being invasive to our evolution then coding it in crop circles? that way it is an indirect message that is not making contact but still convaying important information.

And what im disturbed about is your lack of actually taking information provided even when it is by science "and saying oohh there not actually scientist and if they are they must be drinking rocket fuel" i mean seriously guys keep an open mind with skeptisism but not so much that you dismiss everything as crackpots telling lies,theresso much in this universe we can't even begin to understand the physics of, just look at quantum mechanics there's things happening on a quantum level that doesn't even follow the way we understand physics right now and if a person lets say every advanced race in the universe found a way to make a quantum computer they could do things that to us seem impossible and we have no way of proving it but it still happens but i ain't gunna try and explain this to you because this is all old news and if you can't even understand that then you are lost beyond anyones control except your own.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:29 AM

View Postacriasis, on 07 February 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

A bit of interesting information about skeptics of the Billy Meier case can be found here:

http://www.theyfly.c...tical-challenge

There is a lot to read in this website including:

Final Proof Meier's UFO Photos Genuine!

The Billy Meier 'Hoax' Exposed?

Skeptics at IIG Caught Falsifying Evidence!

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Dead set, this is embarrassing. This is why UFology wears a tin foil hat. It pains me to even think of the many good people trying to actually make progress out there, yet all the while this lot of ignorant cretins have to lean upon their hard work to so much as pollute local media.
And then the ignorant dive in and go, well it's a good story!! I believe it!!!

:no:

Al those links are fro the same site - Michael Bloody Horns site! Michael Horn is the Publicist for Billy Meier. He uses this website to push Meier's claims. In August of 2008 he admitted to intentionally posting false and misleading articles in order to deceive the public about the claims of Billy Meier.

Link one - skeptical Challenge  What rock is he living under? In addition to Hazzards link, UFOLogist Bruce Maccabee also evaluated these claims, and was able to not only reproduce the ships, but he reproduced the apparent motions as indicated in the series of stills. He has proven the Meier use a pendulum to elevate the models and give them momentum.

LINK - PENDULUM-LIKE MOTION OF AN UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT (UO) FILMED BY BILLY MEIER

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Bruce Maccabee


Now, not only is that an extremely informative, in depth, and detailed link, with information like:


This is an analysis of one of the many sightings presented by contactee Billy Meier of Switzerland over 25 years ago.  This was the first sighting in which he claimed to obtain a movie of the spaceship of Semjase,  a humanoid from the star group known as the Pleiades.  This movie (and other Meier claims, photos and movies) have been the subject of extreme debate since they were first publicized over 20 years ago.  I have carefully studied this movie and concluded that the motion of the UO (Unidentified Object) is consistent with the motion of a pendulum which is being driven by moving its suspension point.  I can't say that Meier never had a UFO experience.  However I do not use Meier's testimony/photos/videos as evidence that Other Intelligences (OI) are present in our airspace.

But, it also has some aspects that are indeed, nothing short of highly amusing:

I was particular interested in the first segment of the movie in which the path of the Unidentified Object (UO) often followed an arc that is convex downward, as if maintaining a constant, or nearly constant, distance from a point above, i.e., as if swinging about a suspension point. The UO moves left and right or back and forth over a tree which appears to be between the camera and a distant farmhouse. Meier claimed that he got this film on March 18, 1975. For comparison purposes Mr. Yaoi filmed from the same location.  Figure 1, below, is a frame from Yaoi's video showing the scene where Meier filmed the UO.  Note that there is a farmhouse in the distance but there is no tree blocking the view of the farmhouse.  This is to be compared with the scene in Meier's film that is shown in the following illustrations.


The second link - Proven Genuine???? It does noot seem to state by whom?? It has some nonsense incorrect rhetoric like this:


The Skeptical Argument

The skeptical argument against Billy Meier's stunningly clear, "too good to be true", UFO photographs, films and video has been that Meier used model UFOs and also model, or miniature, trees to create his evidence. This was the original claim made by CFI-West/IIG, in 2001 when they accepted my challenge to duplicate just one of Meier's UFO photos and one of his films. Naturally, that is a challenge they have never been able to meet.


The argument is hardly "It's too good to be true"  but we do not have to wonder where he got that from do we.
That is not the argument, the reaction to the photos is rather the opposite, they are not "too good to be true" they look like fakes. And in some cases, crap fakes. It was no in depth investigation to undermine poor Billy, his work is transparent, and not of the highest quality. You can see it from a mile of, and analysis such as is presented by Bruce Maccabee above simply makes a mockery of these poor and badly supported claims. Horn blathers on saying claims have been retracted, they have not. The tree simply is missing, and that alien?? Are you serious here?

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If anyone should be retracting anything, Billy should be retracting this photo. I sure hope to high heaven that you are not gullible enough to even consider that this is a real alien. Great Scott, I hope nobody in the planet is that dim.

But, hey, what else does Meiers publicist have to say? He does seem to be able to use a great many words without saying anything I have noticed. The billy Meir hoax Exposed? Link, well, yep, that is a correct stament, and again, and again, and again........

Link - Hall Of Shame - Billy Meier

LINK - Singer from the "Dean Martin Show" clarifies: "Yes,  I am Billy's "Extraterrestrial"

Link - Billy Meier UFOs debunked - again

Now that last link - it says the same thing everyone does when some individual somehow manages to fall for this pile of Horse Hockey:

Most ufologists branded Billy Meier and his UFO photos a hoax years ago - but the story just won't go away.

​Thanks to Michael Horn, it manages to pop up from time to time to any fresh recruits.

But hey, lets take a stab at that last link about the evil Derek Bartholomaus huh! Sounds daunting doesn't it!

Here are the emails



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Here is Horn’s complete, unedited email, which, because it indicted Bartholomaus for his incompetence, was edited to make it appear to say something entirely different:


Subject: Re: Early Warning System

From: michael@theyfly.com

Date: August 27, 2008 1:17:42 PM PDT

To: derek@iigwest.com

Cc: jim@cfiwest.org, thebadastronomer@gmail.com mshermer@skeptic.com


Hi Derek,


Yes, thanks for taking the hook on that one too! Of course that's where you found it but...don't you remember my suggesting - several times - that you view thevideotape of Vogel's analysis or that you read it in the Investigation Report, along with info about the other parties that also analyzed the metal? Hmmmm?


We left that one there but put the correct info, for all the world to see athttp://theyfly.com/P...fic Experts.PDF where it's been for several years...including since when you agreed to do the interview.


And do note that I pointed you towards all of the material in the investigation, at least 1,300 pages, many, many times. But instead of actually investigating you copied and based your bravdo-cloaked presentation on only what I'd written in that one version of the information.


Now, since the actual video and written record of what Vogel actually did say has been widely available, just how brilliant are you, having done no real homework? This was also evident in your, now retracted, inane comments about "same trees equals model trees". It's also evident in your refusal to support your claims about a model in the film.


So, now when I put you on the hot seat, you go back to my site to find out where you picked up the incorrect info but, naturally, neglect to notice the right one. Now how on earth could I have known that you were just a pseudo-investigator and that you'dnot do your own due diligence, that you wouldn't go to the source material itself?


Hey, could I be...psychic?


Surprised?


MH

www.theyfly.com


Further, on the same page, Bartholomaus makes a most egregious falsification, such as is worthy of the worst attempts at deliberate character assassination. My complete email reponse to him is included below so that it's easy to see just how, where...and why he edited it to corrupt its true meaning:


Subject: Re: Early Warning System

From: michael@theyfly.com

Date: August 27, 2008 2:35:32 PM PDT

To: derek@iigwest.com

Cc: jim@cfiwest.org, thebadastronomer@gmail.com, mshermer@skeptic.com


Not at all. I posted a typo in an article. When you repeated it in the film I realized that you didn't do your due diligence. And when you singed off on it with my rebuttal of your error I knew that, eventually, we'd have some more fun.The problem is, once, that you didn't

do your due diligence. The source material was offered, repeatedly, but you were too pompous and incompetent to review it.


Hello Michael. Thank you for admitting on the record that your website intentionally posts false, misleading, or fraudulent articles in order to try and support the claims of Billy Meier.


-Derek


Why Does Any of This Matter?


This is an indication of the great lengths that people will go, and have gone, to keep the truth from emerging. And though it is relatively mild compared to the numerous actual assassination attempts against Meier’s life, it reflects the same fearful, desperate and ugly state of mind that tries to keep others enslaved in whatever small box of illogical beliefs, religious or secular, that the perpetrators themselves have climbed into.

The claim is: Skeptics at IIG Caught Falsifying Evidence!
Yet the same page states:

This is where Michael Horn revealed that he intentionally posted false and misleading articles on his website in order to deceive the public about the claims of Billy Meier.”

Website or email? Why are Derek's emails not shown, where is the comparisons between original and alleged alterations?

Over at IIG, Derek has all the emails up, online, and in original format.

LINK

I do not think even Horn knows what he on about with that claim.


But of course it does not stop there! Meiers Dinosaurs have also been debunked!


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What the hell do you lot see here of value Do you have a fetish that allows you to enjoy acting gullible? Honest question.


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WHO IS BILLY MEIER?
Eduard Albert “Billy” Meier is a 70+ year old, one and a half armed, Swiss farmer. He was born in 1937 and he claims to have been in contact with extra-terrestrials named the “Plejaren” or, formerly known as, the “Pleiadians”.
His claims of extra-terrestrial contact were first published in the late 1970s/early 1980s. What made Meier different from previous UFO contactees is that his photographs were of, what appeared to be, structured craft rather than the blobs or streaks of light that were the most common types of UFO photographs up to that time.
In addition to publishing a series of photographs of multiple forms of alleged spacecraft, Meier also published information concerning metal samples, audio recordings, motion pictures, and prophecies. Supporters of Billy Meier say that these forms of evidence prove that Meier has been in contact with extra-terrestrials. However, the analysis of these forms of evidence on this website suggests that Meier has not been in contact with extra-terrestrials.
According to Meier’s own biographies he claims to have been arrested for assault, convicted, and sent to youth prison. Twice. The first was in 1951 and then again in 1953. After escaping from prison in 1953 he joined the French Foreign Legion. In 1955 he deserted from the French Foreign Legion, returned to Switzerland for prosecution, and was “institutionalized” for two years. After his release Meier began to travel throughout the Middle East as a day laborer. During these travels he claims to have engaged in the grave robbing of a site he claims to have been the tomb of Jesus Christ in 1963. Shortly afterwards he takes his first photos of “UFOs” while in India. In 1964 he is expelled from India on charges of vagrancy and shortly thereafter had his left arm amputated at the elbow because he was hanging it outside the window of a bus when the bus crashed. In 1967 he meets and marries Kalliope. In 1975 he founded the Freie Interessengemeinschaft fur Grenz- und Geisteswissenschaften und Ufologiestudien (aka Free Community of Interests for Fringe and Spiritual Sciences and Ufology), otherwise known as FIGU.
FIGU is the organization dedicated to the teachings of his alleged extra-terrestrial contacts, the Plejaren. Some people have described FIGU as a cult. I am not sure if FIGU fits the technical description of a cult, but it certainly has elements of an organized religious institution to it.
Membership into FIGU is a two-step process. First you need to be a “Passive Member” for at least two years. Passive Membership requires:


Subscription to Quarterly Newsletter: SFr. 75.00 ($98.00) If you live in Switzerland. The cost is higher in other parts of the world.
Annual Membership Fee: SFr. 30.00 ($39.00)
One-Time Application Fee: SFr. 30.00 ($39.00)
Mandatory Annual Contribution of 7% of One Month’s Salary.
Obligation to work 3 full days annually at the FIGU Center in Switzerland. For each work day not performed at the Center, a further contribution of SFr. 70.00 ($91.00)/per non-working day (with a total of SFr. 210.00 ($274.00)for 3 non-working days).
Must attend at least one Annual Passive Group General Assembly at FIGU in Switzerland.

That comes to a total of SFr. 345.00 ($450.00), plus Annual Contribution and travel to FIGU. That’s just for the “Passive Membership”. Here is what is required for Full Membership:


Minimum Annual Fee: SFr. 250.00 ($326.00)
Registration ID: SFr. 30.00 ($39.00)
Subscription To Quarterly Magazine: SFr. 204.00 ($266.00) If you live in Switzerland.

For an annual cost of SFr. 484.00 ($631.00) “the patronage is entitled to no say in FIGU matters, just to participate in core group of 49 - and to participate in the passive group-meetings. However, patrons have no voting rights.” [English Translation]
In the late 1980s/early 1990s, Billy Meier had pretty much stopped presenting physical evidence for his alleged extra-terrestrial contacts and instead concentrated on the “Spiritual Teachings” that were encompassed in his alleged discussions with the Plejaren in what have become known as the “Contact Notes”. These documents contained alleged prophecies and predictions, as well as a “philosophy of life” as professed by the Plejaren.
Meier claims that he is the only person who has been contacted by extra-terrestrials on Earth. He also claims to be the seventh incarnation of the “prophet” connecting Earth to the Plejaren. The first incarnation was Henoch around 11,000 years ago followed by Elijah around 2,800 years ago, then Isiah, Jeremiah, and Jmmanuel (aka Jesus Christ) around 2,000 years ago, and then Mohammed around 1,400 years ago. Yes, Billy Meier claims to be the reincarnation of both Jesus Christ and Mohammed. For more information regarding the Plejaren’s history of the universe please watch this video which includes information such as that the Earth started to be formed 646 Billion years ago and that there were originally 40,353,607 different human races in 343 different skin colors and that apes actually descended from human beings.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:55 AM

View PostCT1993, on 08 February 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

Why be so mysterious you ask? well first of all a higher civilization would be surly prohibited from making contact with a developing race (us) for the sake of changing there natural evolution unless abselutly necessary. (our total destruction) So what better way to send a message without being invasive to our evolution then coding it in crop circles? that way it is an indirect message that is not making contact but still convaying important information.

LL did not say mysterious, she said negative.

Why would a higher civilisation be restricted from interaction, Our history has not ever gone that way not in any culture not in any circumstance. Cook and Columbus are rather famous for exactly the opposite.

Who makes up this rule?

As far as I know, it is a Star Trek idea, and that is about it, and even Star Trek Captains break the prime directive every other week.


I do not know why people insist this is the case, it's no how we do things, and it makes no sense to me. If you are observing a species that cannot communicate with us, Big Cates, Elephants, etc, we have to be covert because we are studying behaviour - what makes that ecosystem tick, with intelligent species you can save yourself a buttload of work by just wandering up and exchanging databases. Digital language, is all 1's and 0's so it will not be hard to see that becoming Universal very quickly.

The prime directive is pure sci fi. It's not a law, it's not a practise we follow, it's pretty lame actually.

View PostCT1993, on 08 February 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

And what im disturbed about is your lack of actually taking information provided even when it is by science "and saying oohh there not actually scientist and if they are they must be drinking rocket fuel" i mean seriously guys keep an open mind with skeptisism but not so much that you dismiss everything as crackpots telling lies,theresso much in this universe we can't even begin to understand the physics of, just look at quantum mechanics there's things happening on a quantum level that doesn't even follow the way we understand physics right now and if a person lets say every advanced race in the universe found a way to make a quantum computer they could do things that to us seem impossible and we have no way of proving it but it still happens but i ain't gunna try and explain this to you because this is all old news and if you can't even understand that then you are lost beyond anyones control except your own.

And how did the Bigfoot hunt from Russin scientists go last year? That tuned out to be a stunt to get people onto Siberia and up tourism. Even Jeff Meldrum fell for it. Far out, using microwaves to cross the galaxy and make circles  You should read up a bit. What is proposed is rather preposterous  and the sources are dubious, the theory makes no sense and as for your claim of science, it is not there. Badeskov pointed this out to you in very understandable terms already. What you claim is ther, simply is not. Because a newspaper syas so, does not make it so. How about rebutting Badeskovs reply? If you feel there is science involved, you should be able to do that successfully.

Money where your mouth is???????

Yes, I agree Quantum Physics is a huge field, in order to get a clear understanding in an easy to digest format, can I recommend to you "The Elegant Universe". It is an excellent introduction into Quantum mechanics, and I am sure you would not only enjoy it, but benefit greatly. As you say, it is a little understood field, which should mean "Be Wary" not "Open Your Mind" It is not only us, the best minds in the worlds are still struggling with Quantum Mechanics, if they openly admit they are struggling, and "Answers" with the word "Quantum" In them should be regarded as a red flag, and in dire need of investigation to establish validity. And we have indeed begun to understand the physics, and to be frank, the guys are doing a bang up job IMHO.
The problem is the the field is rife with crackpots. 99.9% of what is publicised is not even worth a second look. The titles alone speak volumes. Who does not want the Alien stories to be true? Even I do, as such, it is an easy sell. The real guys who look at the phenomena do not write novels, you can read most of their information on the Net for free. People like Hawking, Kaku and Greene.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:11 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 07 February 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

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One canot just make claims like this, and expect them to be taken at face value, Badeskov pointed this out for you on the previous page. I thought his post was as usual of the highest calibre, and neatly wrapped things up.

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Psyche, thank you for the kind words - I am humbled.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:16 AM

View PostSky Scanner, on 07 February 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

I'm using that and telling that to the judge next time i'm in court for being caught short....honestly judge, i was merely replying to an email...

Ahem....just keep me out of it :unsure2:

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:25 AM

View PostCT1993, on 07 February 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

haha to make this at night would be nearly impossible you would almost have to always have a sky view to make sure your points are correct in collaboration with the sky view and obviously someone would see a half done crop circle withing the first week of incompletion your counter arguments have holes all through them statement after statement i can see your not trying very hard. especially when you compare what your saying to what actually happend i mean comone now at least give a decent effort to make your counter arguments relate to the actual report

So, since you have not addressed my post on Dr. Haselhoff, I presume that we can conclude that you realized that you were incorrect in your initial assertion and the following concluding statement of yours

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A 100% match is very rare in science. Therefore the following conclusion could safely be drawn: the examined crop circles had been made by electromagnetic point-sources (balls of light) hanging above the ground at a height of 4.1 meters at the time the crop went down.

Dr. Haselhoff sent his findings to Physiologia Plantarum. His work was 'peer-reviewed' (checked by other scientists), accepted and published in October 2000. With this publication and thus acceptance by the scientific world, one can say that the current state of affairs if as follows: Crop circles are not made by man, but by electromagnetic point-sources of unknown origin.

This fact stands until the opposite is proven scientifically!


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View PostCT1993, on 07 February 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

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A 100% match is very rare in science. Therefore the following conclusion could safely be drawn: the examined crop circles had been made by electromagnetic point-sources (balls of light) hanging above the ground at a height of 4.1 meters at the time the crop went down no conclusion can be drawn.

Dr. Haselhoff sent his findings to Physiologia Plantarum. His work was 'peer-reviewed' (checked by other scientists), accepted and published in October 2000. With this publication and thus acceptance by the scientific world, one can say that the current state of affairs if as follows: Crop circles are not made by man, but by electromagnetic point-sources of unknown origin. No conclusion on the origin of crop circles can be reached from examining the stems of crops.

This fact stands until the opposite is proven scientifically!


That should do it!

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:58 AM

If anything i would like to see the Collection of Crop Circle Photos


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:33 AM

View Postbadeskov, on 08 February 2013 - 02:25 AM, said:

So, since you have not addressed my post on Dr. Haselhoff, I presume that we can conclude that you realized that you were incorrect in your initial assertion and the following concluding statement of yours



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That should do it!

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Well obviously they can't draw a conclusion because they don't have the technology to even recreate the elongation of the crops and it says they were made from balls of light about 4.1 meters in the air well obviously... what may i ask you can produce that? do you know how high 4.1 meters is? roughly 13 feet no human would walk around a field with a device like peering over them let alone it would probobly be heavy as heck. theres your response





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