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#91    badeskov

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 08 February 2013 - 05:12 AM, said:

The honor be mine Badeskov.

Some rumblings happening over here, you and D might have to be stocking your fridges with some stout later this year........

Now, that would be an honor!! :)

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

View Postchopmo, on 08 February 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

Can someone translate how exactly they are working this code. I have a few sites that I would like to explore this theory on. Because what does Tully, Queensland, Australia have to tell the world, it's the epicentre for qld crop circles but it's a miniture town if you blinked you could nearly drive past it.

hello here is an explenation on how they work this code

Binary can represent many forms of data, CPU command codes, pixel color information, music data etc etc. All data goes through the CPU (and other logic circuits) as on and off switches, which we represent as 0s and 1s, because it’s simpler than writing off,on,off,off etc.
We sent them a message in binary, because it’s the simplest way to represent simple data in a radio transmission, and to be recognized as a uniform data stream (square wave of consistent frequency) so if they were to reply, would they not reply in binary also?
So therefore, they know we understand binary, and if they want to encode text in their designs, without actually writing the text, ASCII is the simplest standard to use Posted Image
For those who wish to understand how 0s and 1s could possibly be stored as numbers, here’s how it works:
11111111 – 00000000 (255-0)
Each digit position corresponds to a power of 2. Binary is a base 2 number system. Two digits, 0 or 1.
From left to right, each position represents a single value:
7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 <– bit position (8 bits in 1 byte (position=exponent of base 2))
2^7,2^6,2^5,2^4,2^3,2^2,2^1,2^0 <– value it represents (if it is numercial data)

^ represents to the power of, or the exponent
these values then represent:
128,64,32,16,8,4,2,1

Using the above numbers, we can create any number between 0 and 255. Think, if 1, include the value represented by this bit position, or 0 don't include the number represented by this bit position, then add all the numbers that are included to get the decimal value. Seems complicated, but actually it shows a lot of data can be represented as 0s and 1s. CPUs only understand on or off switches, two states, base 2 is binary. All data has to be encoded as binary for the CPU to work with it. Hence the need for the conversion so that the data may be translated to something more meaningful.
11111111=255, because 128+64+32+16+8+4+2+1 = 255
Notice in the image I posted: http://www.ufo-blogg...inary-code.html
that all the bytes (groups of 8 bits) are separated by a space to distinguish each byte. And also, each byte of binary data always starts with a 0, so therefore, in the highest bit position, we don't include 128 in any, so all values are less than this. As they are on the ASCII table.
So here's each letter as decimal and binary:
01010000 = 80 = P
01000101 = 69 = E
01000001 = 65 = A
01000011 = 67 = C
01000101 = 69 = E

Like most things mathematical, it probably seems complex the first time you learn it, but like anything it's easy when you KNOW how Posted Image To learn = to know = to become easier Posted Image
So for P, lets add up the numbers represented by the bit positions that are 1's to get the number 80, and then the letter P:
01010000, easy, just two numbers to add, 64 and 16 = 80. This could represent any data, or just be completely random. But if we decode each letter using the ASCII chart, and we get a word, or in the case of the alien face and disc, does that show randomness or structured information?
In the case of the alien holding the disc, the alien face could be encoded to binary data also, but perhaps that picture is already there to show the data on the disc (because there's so much of it) isn't picture data.
The more we try to decode with ASCII, the more we see this is what is intended as it is anything but random. That we could make all these words by coincidence is not highly improbable, but practically impossible. Therefore we can be more sure it is actually text data the more we decode it, the more it becomes meaningful and demonstrates a structure.
For a beginner, this may seem very complicated process, but really it's not, especially when you use windows calculator to convert binary to decimal values which represent real letters of our alphabet via the ASCII table.
The conversion to decimal is only necessary to make it easier to see which letter is represented by the binary data, we could include the binary data next to each character on the ASCII table, but it's much easier for us to know we have the right character if we convert to decimal first.
Just to compare, our base 10 number system has powers of 10 as 'digit' positions:
1*10^2,2*10^1,5*10^0 = 125 decimal (dec=10,bi=2)
remember very early math lessons, hundreds, tens, units just to show how any number in our base 10 number system can be similarly represented by it's base, position and in this case the multiplier of that position, which we represent with digits 0-9 in each position.

Notice we call it a digit position, and not a bit position. Bit actually stands for Binary digIT. That being 0 or 1.
Anyway, hope it helps those of you who do wish to understand the simplicity of this encoding, and why they use the ASCII standard. It is a simple process understood by many, and hopefully in a while, once you grasp the concept, by even a few more Posted Image


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:05 PM

Here is further explination


Working from the middle, there are 5 groups of 8 circles which represent bit positions of 0s and 1s.
The circles without the line through the centre are 0s and think of the ones with the lines through them as digits of 1s. If this is binary, it’s the most logical way to represent it here. Nothing in the centre vs a line which looks like a 1 in the centre. Ignore the very centre circle, think of it as representing the origin, that is, where the message begins. It may have another meaning, who knows Posted Image
So the first binary sequence is 01010000 = 80 decimal = ASCII character “P”
You can do this conversion easily with windows calculator set to binary mode:

For the latest version of windows calculator, set it to programmer mode. For earlier versions, set it to scientific (no programmer mode option available). Click the radio button (the dot) next to bin (binary). Once in binary mode type in the 0s and 1s then click the radio button on dec (decimal) to convert to decimal, then find the ASCII code chart to see which letter corresponds to the equivalent decimal number.
Here’s a quick ASCII chart I googled: http://www.asciitable.com/
Very very simple crop circle, 5 bytes (8 bits/byte), 5 letters that spell “PEACE”. Now you can verify this circle yourself Posted Image
Very simple, very easy to see, hard to see it any other way really Posted Image Unlike more complex circles and the varied ways to interpret them.
How and why the creators of the crop circle use ASCII? 8 bits per byte, 1s and 0s, which directly translate to alphanumeric characters used in English? Easily represented by circles which seems to be the easiest geometric shape for them to create? Or because it’s the only modern method understood by many to convert binary to text?
I’m sure the aliens could carve out the word PEACE in the ground if they can draw scan-line alien faces Posted Image So why encode it? Perhaps to say there is more to these things than just art??? Would the word peace on the field look too much like a human created it?
I like this crop circle because it’s so simple, even as a lesson for those who don’t understand how simple this conversion is to try out the conversion process themselves so they can verify the circle does certainly contain the ASCII character codes for “PEACE” if it is in fact representing binary. Which it most certainly is is by the definition of any binary system.
One other thing, as a computer programmer I can see the ‘beads’ on a string. In computer programming a string is an alphanumeric collection, usually used for words but can also contain numbers that can’t be used in maths until the string is converted to an data type the deals with numbers as numbers. Just thought that might be a clue in the crop circle to say this clearly 8-bit binary isn’t numbers, but a string. For anyone who may have done BASIC programming at some point here’s a refresher:
10 A$=”PEACE”
20 PRINT A$

These letters are stored in memory as ASCII values, because in computers, data can only be stored in memory as 0s or 1s.
Hope this helps clear up how ASCII is used to communicate in these circles at times, who knows perhaps someone here can be the first to decode the next binary formation, or teach others how to verify it Posted Image


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:09 PM

Badeskov, your up. :D

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

View PostHazzard, on 08 February 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

Badeskov, your up. :D

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:22 PM

Does anyone else want to know what their PHDs are in?


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:29 PM

@CT1993 : woah, thank you heaps, exactly what I asked for :) I will have to go over it a few more times as I just woke up my eyes seen the word binary and my brain wept a wee bit :), coffee first me thinks.

Would you say than it's the same technique, that was used before on the disc crop circle that contained a message forgot who cracked but it was where the big self portraits were there was a little disc near it.

why is everyone so &^%$ing concerned with "the end"...
new beginnings is what you should be concerned about...

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:32 PM

View Postchopmo, on 08 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

@CT1993 : woah, thank you heaps, exactly what I asked for :) I will have to go over it a few more times as I just woke up my eyes seen the word binary and my brain wept a wee bit :), coffee first me thinks.

Would you say than it's the same technique, that was used before on the disc crop circle that contained a message forgot who cracked but it was where the big self portraits were there was a little disc near it.

Yes it is the same technique used in that crop circle


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:00 AM

Cool thank you for the information, have you tried to attempt this yourself? thoughts?

why is everyone so &^%$ing concerned with "the end"...
new beginnings is what you should be concerned about...

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:26 AM

View Postchopmo, on 09 February 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Cool thank you for the information, have you tried to attempt this yourself? thoughts?

I was gunna try it but i couldn't figure out how to use the programer mode on the windows calculater, also i recently moved and have to deal with dial up and it would take me alot longer to conform something already done lol but i think it's great that anyone with the time could confirm what other have stated


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:47 AM

I may have missed something, but given we understand binary and so forth, there's nothing there to suggest it's "too advanced" for humans to have done.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:17 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 09 February 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

I may have missed something, but given we understand binary and so forth, there's nothing there to suggest it's "too advanced" for humans to have done.


Humans can indeed make crop circles, and there is no denying this.

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What humans currently can't demonstrate the ability to do are the following:


  • Modify the chemical/molecular structure of the crops like those consistent with what we'll call "authentic crop formation phenomena".


  • Leave no human evidence in the crop; IE: not breaking it and leaving footsteps, paths, etc.


  • Create massive and complex crop circles/formations in seconds or minutes as has been evidenced by eyewitness accounts and video recordings.



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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:32 AM

Has there been evidence - no I'll qualify that, has there been impartial evidence - of that though?
I've heard of the microwave "planned cooking/wilting" in crop circles, but not "they've changed the molecular structure".

Oddly enough, there's scant evidence of that left by the human hoaxers either.

Those would be the "we drove past the field and then later that day we saw a crop circle" styled reports? That's dubious because when you look at something from one angle they look different from another angle.  And video ... surely you have to admit, video evidence less reliable then "if the glove fits, you must acquit". And please, don't trot out the "but we've got video from before they had computers to manipulate the image" argument, because frankly they could manipulate Citizen Kane to show him kicking a kitten.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:02 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 09 February 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

Has there been evidence - no I'll qualify that, has there been impartial evidence - of that though?
I've heard of the microwave "planned cooking/wilting" in crop circles, but not "they've changed the molecular structure".

Oddly enough, there's scant evidence of that left by the human hoaxers either.

Those would be the "we drove past the field and then later that day we saw a crop circle" styled reports? That's dubious because when you look at something from one angle they look different from another angle.  And video ... surely you have to admit, video evidence less reliable then "if the glove fits, you must acquit". And please, don't trot out the "but we've got video from before they had computers to manipulate the image" argument, because frankly they could manipulate Citizen Kane to show him kicking a kitten.

Dude do the research instead of saying "well this COULD happen" seriously look up on google earth those coordinates from the day before then the next day noone could do this in merly one night it sounds to me your pulling stuff out of your ****

here this guy has actually done research regarding this happening give it a read then get back at me

http://www.bibliotec...n_contact04.htm


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:24 AM

View PostCT1993, on 08 February 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

hello here is an explenation on how they work this code

By all means of respect, but do you just copy/paste from some fringe web site without really looking into what they actually say? The big font is quite the giveaway unless you have a purpose with it. I took the liberty of making it smaller and more readable.

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Binary can represent many forms of data, CPU command codes, pixel color information, music data etc etc. All data goes through the CPU (and other logic circuits) as on and off switches, which we represent as 0s and 1s, because it’s simpler than writing off,on,off,off etc.


Binary is but one representation of data. It happened to be what we are using for computers. But that will probably change.


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We sent them a message in binary, because it’s the simplest way to represent simple data in a radio transmission, and to be recognized as a uniform data stream (square wave of consistent frequency) so if they were to reply, would they not reply in binary also?


At the time, yes, it was the simplest. However, it should be noted that digital signals never are, they are all analog.


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So therefore, they know we understand binary, and if they want to encode text in their designs, without actually writing the text,


That is quite an assumption. Chances are that if they are much more advanced than us, binary is a relic for them and they use something much more sophisticated. Or just something else.


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ASCII is the simplest standard to use  


For us, yes. ASCII was "invented" in the childhood of computers here on Earth. It's anybody's guess what ET would be using.


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For those who wish to understand how 0s and 1s could possibly be stored as numbers, here’s how it works:
11111111 – 00000000 (255-0)
Each digit position corresponds to a power of 2. Binary is a base 2 number system. Two digits, 0 or 1.
From left to right, each position represents a single value:
7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 <– bit position (8 bits in 1 byte (position=exponent of base 2))
2^7,2^6,2^5,2^4,2^3,2^2,2^1,2^0 <– value it represents (if it is numercial data)
^ represents to the power of, or the exponent
these values then represent:
128,64,32,16,8,4,2,1
Using the above numbers, we can create any number between 0 and 255. Think, if 1, include the value represented by this bit position, or 0 don't include the number represented by this bit position, then add all the numbers that are included to get the decimal value. Seems complicated, but actually it shows a lot of data can be represented as 0s and 1s. CPUs only understand on or off switches, two states, base 2 is binary. All data has to be encoded as binary for the CPU to work with it. Hence the need for the conversion so that the data may be translated to something more meaningful.
11111111=255, because 128+64+32+16+8+4+2+1 = 255
Notice in the image I posted: http://www.ufo-blogg...inary-code.html
that all the bytes (groups of 8 bits) are separated by a space to distinguish each byte. And also, each byte of binary data always starts with a 0, so therefore, in the highest bit position, we don't include 128 in any, so all values are less than this. As they are on the ASCII table.
So here's each letter as decimal and binary:
01010000 = 80 = P
01000101 = 69 = E
01000001 = 65 = A
01000011 = 67 = C
01000101 = 69 = E


Yes, that is what we currently use. What if they use a code where a "bit" could have many states. Again, you are without critique projecting our representation of data onto ET.


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Like most things mathematical, it probably seems complex the first time you learn it, but like anything it's easy when you KNOW how  To learn = to know = to become easier  
So for P, lets add up the numbers represented by the bit positions that are 1's to get the number 80, and then the letter P:
01010000, easy, just two numbers to add, 64 and 16 = 80. This could represent any data, or just be completely random. But if we decode each letter using the ASCII chart, and we get a word, or in the case of the alien face and disc, does that show randomness or structured information?


You are assuming that we can decode what ET would be sending us, if they ever do. How would you decipher Korean without a dictionary, and that would be a language originating from your own species?


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In the case of the alien holding the disc, the alien face could be encoded to binary data also, but perhaps that picture is already there to show the data on the disc (because there's so much of it) isn't picture data.


Again, who knows what ET would make out of the data.


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The more we try to decode with ASCII, the more we see this is what is intended as it is anything but random. That we could make all these words by coincidence is not highly improbable, but practically impossible.


What? This is pure nonsense. If you cannot remove yourself from what we use as data representation here on Earth and realize that ET would most assuredly use something differently, you will be fooling yourself.


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Therefore we can be more sure it is actually text data the more we decode it, the more it becomes meaningful and demonstrates a structure.


No, you are simply fooling yourself.


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For a beginner, this may seem very complicated process, but really it's not, especially when you use windows calculator to convert binary to decimal values which represent real letters of our alphabet via the ASCII table.
The conversion to decimal is only necessary to make it easier to see which letter is represented by the binary data, we could include the binary data next to each character on the ASCII table, but it's much easier for us to know we have the right character if we convert to decimal first.
Just to compare, our base 10 number system has powers of 10 as 'digit' positions:
1*10^2,2*10^1,5*10^0 = 125 decimal (dec=10,bi=2)
remember very early math lessons, hundreds, tens, units just to show how any number in our base 10 number system can be similarly represented by it's base, position and in this case the multiplier of that position, which we represent with digits 0-9 in each position.
Notice we call it a digit position, and not a bit position. Bit actually stands for Binary digIT. That being 0 or 1.
Anyway, hope it helps those of you who do wish to understand the simplicity of this encoding, and why they use the ASCII standard. It is a simple process understood by many, and hopefully in a while, once you grasp the concept, by even a few more  

No, it is very simple. The difficult part, apparently, is the realization that what representation we use is most assuredly vastly different from what ET would using.

So, by all means of respect, but you are that naive?

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Edited by badeskov, 09 February 2013 - 03:31 AM.

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