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Why are male homosexuals so talented

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#1    Frank Merton

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:05 PM

This is my first stab at starting a theme, and I'm sticking my neck out.  Still, it is something I've noticed.  Not all homosexuals I'm sure are artists, and I don't know enough of them to have any idea, but it sure seems to me that they loom large in the arts -- acting, dancing, decorating, writing, fashion, design, even hairdressing.  Homosexuals compose maybe two percent of the population (if you include people who've had some such experience then maybe ten percent) but they are at least a third to half of these artistic areas.  I travel a lot and this applies around the world -- not just in the West but certainly in Asia too.

Is this true or an illusion?  If true, why?


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:06 PM

They are?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

Illusion. They are just as talented as everybody else.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

Why are they so numerous in the arts in proportion to their numbers in the general population?

If its an illusion, what is the source of the illusion?


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:37 PM

Eh, I think it's just the fact that media and/or publicity HAS to mention an individual sexuality if they are talented.  

Example -

Sexual preference unknown -"Promising young artist"
Sexual preference hetro - "Promising young artist"
Sexual preference homosexual - "Promising young, gay artist"

I think it's more a matter of promotion rather than gay men/women more talented.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 07 February 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

This is my first stab at starting a theme, and I'm sticking my neck out.  Still, it is something I've noticed.  Not all homosexuals I'm sure are artists, and I don't know enough of them to have any idea, but it sure seems to me that they loom large in the arts -- acting, dancing, decorating, writing, fashion, design, even hairdressing.  Homosexuals compose maybe two percent of the population (if you include people who've had some such experience then maybe ten percent) but they are at least a third to half of these artistic areas.  I travel a lot and this applies around the world -- not just in the West but certainly in Asia too.

Is this true or an illusion?  If true, why?

Maybe men are better designed for these types of job than women?

And those men who want to be women are obviously applying for these positions lol.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:45 PM

I remember once in class in college one of the co-eds asking the French professor why so many French authors were gay.  He replied, "Madam, if there were no homosexuality there would be no French literature."  Now obviously he was exaggerating, but there is a point here.

It's a matter of proportions.  Considering their numbers in the general population (which, by the way, tend to be overstated -- the actual proportion of active homosexuals -- either engaging or partnered) is less than two percent, but think of the composers and writers.  Mostly straight, as you would imagine, but disproportionately gay.  When it comes to the less famous artists, I think it is even more the case, and stories about certain professions being just assumed to be gay are known.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:53 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 07 February 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Maybe men are better designed for these types of job than women?
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And those men who want to be women are obviously applying for these positions lol.
Homosexual men are happy being men; you have in mind trans-gendered men, and they are a different group entirely and are not in the groups I have in mind.

I do think though that you have a point -- that there is self-selection going on.  We tend to want to do the things we are good at doing, and, as I have seen it, gay men on the average tend to be more artistic and less mechanical or mathematical than straight men.  I know lots of gay artists, no gay mechanics or programmers.

Well I am no doubt in deep political do-do here.  The drive for social acceptance seems to require that everyone be the same except for their particular difference.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:03 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 07 February 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Why are they so numerous in the arts in proportion to their numbers in the general population?

If its an illusion, what is the source of the illusion?
Most people in the entertainment business have an extroverted personality. This goes for gays, hetero, and bisexuals. Also, they are pretty well accepted in the entertainment business, and thus can live very openly, so probably this is causing the illusion.
You won't notice most gays in everyday life, just like one of my best friends, who is a doctor, gay, and definitly not of the "fabulous" kind

Edited by FLOMBIE, 07 February 2013 - 03:44 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

Are they, now?


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

Most of the people I know have a hand in various sorts of arts, so I'm not sure if I'm a good sampling.

Of the gay guys I know... A few have been in the medical field, some are in machine shops. A handful are in the tec fields, a few are in the culinary trade- this goes from chef to server to processing plant worker. Several have been regular office or warehouse workers. A handful have really gone into the artistic fields. A few construction workers and related fields. A handful of retail related fields.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 07 February 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Eh, I think it's just the fact that media and/or publicity HAS to mention an individual sexuality if they are talented.  

Example -

Sexual preference unknown -"Promising young artist"
Sexual preference hetro - "Promising young artist"
Sexual preference homosexual - "Promising young, gay artist"

I think it's more a matter of promotion rather than gay men/women more talented.


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View PostFLOMBIE, on 07 February 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Most people in the entertainment business have an extroverted personality. This goes for gays, hetero, and bisexuals. Also, they are pretty well accepted in the entertainment business, and thus can live very openly, probably this is causing the illusion.
You won't notice most gays in everyday life, just like one of my best friends, who is a docto, gay, and definitly not of the "fabulous" kind

I think these two posters have it exactly right.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:35 PM

I tend to buy Flombie's post as a possible explanation for the illusion, if it is an illusion.  The others aren't persuasive.  No doubt there are gays in every possible endeavor; I was pointing to proportions.

I remember once reading a New York Times article about how way back then AIDS was decimating the New York entertainment scene.  This was a good twenty years ago, but it struck me even in those times of my naivety that they apparently have some special areas where they were more likely to excel than others.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:36 PM

i dont know any homosexual artists, ive heard the steroetype of homosexuals wanting more to be in the entertainment industry than straight men but not that they are more successful than straight men or a use of a better word heterosexuals in the entertainment industry. there are probably equal successes.
its probably the same in the art world  and all my the french writers ive read seem to be straight, remember  even a lecturer can be biast

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 07 February 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

I tend to buy Flombie's post as a possible explanation for the illusion, if it is an illusion.  The others aren't persuasive.  No doubt there are gays in every possible endeavor; I was pointing to proportions.

I remember once reading a New York Times article about how way back then AIDS was decimating the New York entertainment scene.  This was a good twenty years ago, but it struck me even in those times of my naivety that they apparently have some special areas where they were more likely to excel than others.

when you say entertainment i think you mean the porn industry in america

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