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#271    Jinxdom

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 03:19 PM

I need to finish this experiment and now link it to the case.

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The pillow itself didn't provoke you in any way. I could only hit the pillow once thinking what I was doing was wrong(Making the active choice to do it was a lot harder then stopping simply because I wasn't in a rage or angry at the pillow). If you could hit it 12 times...... maybe you actually have the tendency to be a sadist or some repressed anger just waiting to come out.

I'm going to show you how premeditation can be misleading.

First I'm going to say that I made the decision to destroy the chair last night and I wanted to show how people react to certain things. Since I have no tolerance to general stupidity. First I redirected all my frustation about the case on to the chair and using that test as a guide and going until I was tired, this is what happened.


First thing I did was let myself go. I stood in front of the chair and started punching it, I ended doing that 9 times before I came to the conclusion that it was pointless, and moved on to a knife, since somebody said that a person in rage can only pass out before 40 or so, First I stabbed the chair 30 times, then pushed it over on it's side stabbed it 27 times, then flipped it again stabbing it on it's right side 30 times, since I missed the bottom I ended up stabbing it 12 times, I dragged the chair from my room and picked up the axe, I went outside closing and locking the door behind me(the door is loose and has a habit of being opened by the cats) Dragged it down 4 steps, accross 75ft until I got in front of the dumpster and proceded to smack it with the axe until it was destroyed.(Which took about 9 swings). Then I put it in the dumpster, then proceded to walk to the store, as if nothing had happened.

Now I did this about 2 hours ago I just got back to from the store I actually feel bad about destorying the chair this way so now I'm confessing to you the jury that I did it. OMFG I did it.  (What is funny I do actually feel bad about it lol)

Now am I a raging psychopath who premeditated the murder of that poor defenseless little chair who did nothing wrong but being at the wrong place at the wrong or just a guy who hates the stupidity that is being spewed around this case who has a tendency to be an overachiever and also a prick who has a sarcastic flair? You be the judge. Tata.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:14 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 02 March 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

Regi I just watch the court room session over again because I recorded it, and the list you gave only states Exhibit # 163 timestamped @ 5:33:13, was a blood-smeared baseboard ,However Exhibit# 163 in the courtroom shows the shoulder of Tavis and blood on the floor.  Exhibit# 162 is of Jodi foot and of her dragging Travis.

View Postdocyabut2, on 03 March 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

Here`s the session of the photos above.

That trial video showed that Exhibit #163 is indeed the 'baseboard' photo.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:17 PM

View PostYamato, on 03 March 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

What did I say I don't believe, other than this bullying rush to judgment?   On the contrary, I haven't discounted the slightest solitary thing.   I'll believe the totality of the evidence and then weigh my judgment on whether or not she has been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as is every juror's duty in that courtroom.   I think you confuse debate with discussion.  I'm not here to rub bellies and make wishes.  I'm here to suggest she's not proven guilty yet and that was enough to light some serious fires under you folks.

Your response just proves my point. Arguing to be arguing. At first, you didn't even seem to accept the FACT that Arias admitted to killing Alexander.  You seem ignorant of the facts of the case and expect the rest of us to spoon feed you the information that is readily available. This is not bullying, this is my opinion. "In general, an opinion is a belief about matters commonly considered to be subjective."


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:32 PM

View Postregi, on 03 March 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

That trial video showed that Exhibit #163 is indeed the 'baseboard' photo.

Go to around 11:23in the video the prosectuer states exhibit #163 and then goes on to say to Joni thats Travis  agreed,  she say yes.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

View Postregi, on 02 March 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

:lol: I'm sure there's a lot of truth in that....

(First, it's great to see you back, booz2u! :clap: I thought you must have thrown up your hands in complete exasperation...Lord knows, I have a time or two, but I didn't lose hope that you'd be back!)
I guess Lotus is gone for good....

Thanks for that info. :tu: I didn't know any of that, and wow, it's certainly interesting. Only a tough defendant who wants/needs total control would attempt to defend themselves, especially in a case like this!
I thought that was just crazy-weird, that Nurmi's specialty is actually defending sex charges! :td: I mean, I know innocent people are sometimes accused and need defense, but to SPECIALIZE in such a thing? :hmm:

Anyway, I didn't think that Arias could have afforded a private attn.
(Btw, I was looking at the police photos from the burglary and noticing the contrast between Alexander's lifestyle and Arias' living situation. It's quite the contrast, not only in the physical environment, but that Alexander was on his own and self supporting, had a good job...direction in his life...you know, just everything in his life was in direct contrast to Arias'.... including their sexual experience according to the sex tape.
Well, there's tons of points that could be made about that tape which totally contradict Arias' all of Arias' allegations against Alexander, and I could go on and on about them, so I'd better save them for another post! :lol: )

Regi!!! :clap: Thanks! (We Southern women are always glad to see each other!) Always great to see your posts. Well thought out and its clear that you are using several resourses to get your information. I just have to spend time doing other things sometimes, like we all do. :yes: You can see by my flurry of posts that I was trying to make up for lost time.

One thing I remember from the trial is that Arias said that Alexander gave her money all the time. They were employed at the same place, I guess he had worked there before her, so he either made more than she did or he managed his money better.  Gus Searcy said he gave her a cell phone. I think she used men all of the time for whatever she needed at the time. Gas cans, alibis.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:42 PM

Re: that trial video (starting @ about 26:00), I laughed out loud when Arias wouldn't acknowledge a common sense conclusion, and instead, kept saying that she didn't know...that she was in a fog, and he finally said "Well, it's YOUR fog." :lol:

Edited by regi, 03 March 2013 - 04:43 PM.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

View Postregi, on 03 March 2013 - 12:29 AM, said:

Your theory about what exactly?

I believed she shot him in the shower.  Now I believe she shot him by the sink.  Not sure if she meant to pull the trigger or if Travis tried to take the gun away.  The stabbings may not have happened all at once in a frenzy and I can see her taunting him.  Absolutely no evidence of taunting but I can hear it in my head.  OMG  I'm crazy too!!

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:59 PM

View PostJinxdom, on 03 March 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

I need to finish this experiment and now link it to the case.



I'm going to show you how premeditation can be misleading.

First I'm going to say that I made the decision to destroy the chair last night and I wanted to show how people react to certain things. Since I have no tolerance to general stupidity. First I redirected all my frustation about the case on to the chair and using that test as a guide and going until I was tired, this is what happened.


First thing I did was let myself go. I stood in front of the chair and started punching it, I ended doing that 9 times before I came to the conclusion that it was pointless, and moved on to a knife, since somebody said that a person in rage can only pass out before 40 or so, First I stabbed the chair 30 times, then pushed it over on it's side stabbed it 27 times, then flipped it again stabbing it on it's right side 30 times, since I missed the bottom I ended up stabbing it 12 times, I dragged the chair from my room and picked up the axe, I went outside closing and locking the door behind me(the door is loose and has a habit of being opened by the cats) Dragged it down 4 steps, accross 75ft until I got in front of the dumpster and proceded to smack it with the axe until it was destroyed.(Which took about 9 swings). Then I put it in the dumpster, then proceded to walk to the store, as if nothing had happened.

Now I did this about 2 hours ago I just got back to from the store I actually feel bad about destorying the chair this way so now I'm confessing to you the jury that I did it. OMFG I did it.  (What is funny I do actually feel bad about it lol)

Now am I a raging psychopath who premeditated the murder of that poor defenseless little chair who did nothing wrong but being at the wrong place at the wrong or just a guy who hates the stupidity that is being spewed around this case who has a tendency to be an overachiever and also a prick who has a sarcastic flair? You be the judge. Tata.

I don't understand what you were trying to prove.  A chair is not a human.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 05:05 PM

View Postregi, on 03 March 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Thanks so much for that autopsy report!
Yes, I knew that was Horn's interpretation. I haven't read the entire report, but this one comment leaves room for doubt in my mind.... "Examination of the brain tissue is somewhat limited by the decomposed nature of the remains."
That comment causes me to wonder how likely is it that the tissue actually did show hemorrhage before the certain state of decomp. seen at autopsy.
I don't know if Horn was asked about that at trial, and well, heck if I know how likely it would be!
I do think that Alexander was SOMEHOW incapacitated during the knife attack. Also, I think there was an element of surprise, no matter how the attack began.

Re: Arias leaving Alexander's body there, she made her intention very clear just by locking his bedroom door.
She locked his door behind her, and was contented to go on her merry way, and certainly would have continued to as we now see she's doing anything she can to trash all that's left of the man whose life she took...his memory.
She's as cold as ice, and she scares the heck out of me, and should scare the heck out of anybody!

As far as Arias' motive, I think more than anything, Arias wanted what she thought Alexander could offer her, and she saw that it wasn't gonna be her...that he was gonna on without her, no matter what she did to try and please him. I think that could have been enough for Arias.
The thing is, people like Arias don't need much of a motive.

And she says she broke up with him. She lines up other men and he picks out some women. As Martinez said, it was OK for her to have other men, but she killed him because he was "cheating" on her and knew he was due to leave on a cruise with another women in a few days. She testifies that he was an abuser, a sexual monster who did all kinds of nasty things, like m********ing to pictures of little boys, but said the reason she didn't write anything bad about him in her journal was because she didn't want to say anything bad about him. I think Arias had the infamous Travis Alexander's t-shirt made herself. She wanted to use it as a means to show everyone that they were tightly bonded. I think she was using him and hoping he would marry her. I think he was using her as a sex toy and never intended to go further with it. What I don't get is why he kept it up even after he became convinced that she was going to kill him. I know he couldn't have sex with any of the Mormon ladies who believed you can't have sex before marriage, but there are plenty of non-Mormon women out there that he could have sought out. Their relationship seems toxic to both, but they kept coming back for more. I think Arias' instabily was her motive. She seems to have built up this perfect relationship in her head, and then built up this negative opinion of Alexander and decided he must die.

Edited by boos2u, 03 March 2013 - 05:06 PM.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 05:18 PM

View Postregi, on 03 March 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Hey, boos2u, I don't know why, but those links to Huffington Post articles are a pain in the watoosie. :lol: Your effort to post that link is appreciated. :tu:

Of course, if anyone's interested in being informed about any aspect of the case, there's tons of info. available just by googling it. It's NOT hard to find....
This particular article is offered after googling huffington post 2442048.
Actually, there's already been mention of "potential romantic interest" Ryan Burns- and his testimony- in this thread.

Thanks, I see that now. OK, well, folks can also just google Ryan Burns, then click on a link called Jodi Arias had fling with Ryan Burns day after Travis Alexander's murder. You are right regi - there is a lot of information about this case and it is NOT hard for someone to find on their own. ;)


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 05:38 PM

View Postboos2u, on 03 March 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Regi!!! :clap: Thanks! (We Southern women are always glad to see each other!) Always great to see your posts. Well thought out and its clear that you are using several resourses to get your information. I just have to spend time doing other things sometimes, like we all do. :yes: You can see by my flurry of posts that I was trying to make up for lost time.

One thing I remember from the trial is that Arias said that Alexander gave her money all the time. They were employed at the same place, I guess he had worked there before her, so he either made more than she did or he managed his money better.  Gus Searcy said he gave her a cell phone. I think she used men all of the time for whatever she needed at the time. Gas cans, alibis.

From one southern woman to another.... :tu:
Yeah, boos2u, I spend a lot of time researching, correlating my notes, and then contemplating the facts and circumstances, so I very much appreciate your compliment re: my posts and research. :yes:
And let me you, it's mutual that it's great to your see your posts! :nw:

Wow! You've touched on two very interesting issues: the men in Arias' life (there seemed to be ONLY men in her life- certainly predominately), and her finances.

It was shown in court that she didn't have much money left during her trip.
Didn't it happen, that before her arrest, that she'd asked the detective about a check she'd written to Alexander, and if that check was located in Alexander's home? (She apparently wouldn't have had money to cover the check at the time of her trip.)
Also, if I'm not mistaken, she had to borrow money (from a Paul Sterns?) to take the trip. Regardless, it's interesting that she'd have so little money for such a long trip, yet spend money on a manicure...among other things.
You know, I'm still freaked out over that almost 3,000 miles!...but i digress...

Re: the men, jeez! On that one trip, she had contact with one man after another and you got that right- for one thing or another, and that she had Ryan Burns lined up!
Great points!

Edited by regi, 03 March 2013 - 06:18 PM.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:06 PM

View Postregi, on 03 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Re: that trial video (starting @ about 26:00), I laughed out loud when Arias wouldn't acknowledge a common sense conclusion, and instead, kept saying that she didn't know...that she was in a fog, and he finally said "Well, it's YOUR fog." :lol:

I really admire Martinez's ability to put up with Arias' attempts to push him off track with her contradictions and her "I don't remember", "That's not what I said", fake tears, corrections. He is fast to come up with these comebacks. It shows that she tries his patience all the time and sometimes it takes a few seconds for him to compose, but he hangs in there. I'm watching the part of the trial where he is talking about how she stopped trying to kill herself with a disposable razor because it stung. He says something like, "Imagine how it felt when you stabbed him in the heart". Poor little Jodi, nicked her skin.

Edited by boos2u, 03 March 2013 - 07:25 PM.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:09 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 03 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Go to around 11:23in the video the prosectuer states exhibit #163 and then goes on to say to Joni thats Travis  agreed,  she say yes.

Yeah, you're right! That 'dragging' photo shows the hallway area.

I understand that what you're trying to figure out is what the photos show re: the sequence of events, but that's an aspect that I (personally) haven't tried to piece together.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:33 PM

View Postregi, on 03 March 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

From one southern woman to another.... :tu:
Yeah, boos2u, I spend a lot of time researching, correlating my notes, and then contemplating the facts and circumstances, so I very much appreciate your compliment re: my posts and research. :yes:
And let me you, it's mutual that it's great to your see your posts! :nw:

Wow! You've touched on two very interesting issues: the men in Arias' life (there seemed to be ONLY men in her life- certainly predominately), and her finances.

It was shown in court that she didn't have much money left during her trip.
Didn't it happen, that before her arrest, that she'd asked the detective about a check she'd written to Alexander, and if that check was located in Alexander's home? (She apparently wouldn't have had money to cover the check at the time of her trip.)
Also, if I'm not mistaken, she had to borrow money (from a Paul Sterns?) to take the trip. Regardless, it's interesting that she'd have so little money for such a long trip, yet spend money on a manicure...among other things.
You know, I'm still freaked out over that almost 3,000 miles!...but i digress...

Re: the men, jeez! On that one trip, she had contact with one man after another and you got that right- for one thing or another, and that she had Ryan Burns lined up!
Great points!

Thanks again.
I wouldn't be surprised that she had to borrow money from everyone she knew. I can also see why she wouldn't have many female friends, since they wouldn't be as wooed by her sexual false promises. I can't remember about the interview about the check, but I think that it was what Martinez was asking about that led to her admitting he gave her money all of the time.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 08:32 PM

View Postspayneuter, on 03 March 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

I don't understand what you were trying to prove.  A chair is not a human.

Somebody posted about rage and a pillow. A chair is closer to a pillow then a person but involves the same anger process. I was showing an example without humanizing the victim and how people jump to a conclusion before while expressing my anger in a creative way instead of lashing out at a direct person. Showing how I premeditation of throwing away a chair, turned in to a bloody murder of a chair from a monster.

What most people do is automatically dehumanize(to make a person more like a chair so it is easier to destroy well monsters) the person who is being hung out to dry. I'm just showing how silly that can be. mostly for my own amusement

With most of all the assumptions in place that I've seen mostly from the proscutor himself.

Edited by Jinxdom, 03 March 2013 - 08:47 PM.





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