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#46    regi

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

View PostMyles, on 21 February 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

I agree with you. If no motive is given, ragew would be the logical choice.   Hard to prove rage though.

The victim's body is the evidence. Those injuries can't be disputed and they don't occur in any other way but in a rage.
That's what rage looks like on a murder victim's body. That's not self defense, no way, no how.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:57 PM

Everybody has reasons for what they do, even if the reasons are bad or don't make sense.  Travis did what a lot of people do when there are no boundaries for how they  treat others.  Jodi gave him no boundaries.   Most of us would have walk away from Travis if he treated us the way he wound up treating Jodi.  But Jodi is and was a severely damaged woman who allowed the man she fell in love with treat her with great disrespect, eroding her hold on her sanity even further.   While I don't believe the self defense plea, I do think he was especially demeaning and cruel the day she exploded on him.  I hope she doesn't get the death penalty.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:07 PM

Jodi claims she shot Travis with a gun she got from his bathroom closet , when he attacked her in the bath room, but that does`nt explain the over kill in the shower where they found his body,his throat cut back to his spleen and stabbed twenty seven times, that she doen`st remember doing. If he was still comming at her after being shot the frist time, would `nt she just have shot at him again and then theres that picture taken of him after he was killed on the camera that Jodi was using to take the photos. The report said this camera they found was in the washing machine and the investigators managed to get a few of those pictures.  Nothing make any sense except this was a horriable vicious attack.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:44 AM

I'm not sure that Travis ever really physically abused her.  I think after they had sex and he demeaned her with those horrible photos, he cruelly dumped her again.   Don't know what he said but, she got dressed and barged in on him in the shower with the gun to make some kind of point.  She was in a rage.  That's why those photos she took in the shower shows fear in his eyes to me.  Maybe he didn't say what she wanted him to say.  So she shot him.  Then, maybe she didn't think he was dead and got the knife or maybe she still needed to work off her rage.  I don't believe she doesn't remember any of it.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:45 AM

View Postregi, on 21 February 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

The victim's body is the evidence. Those injuries can't be disputed and they don't occur in any other way but in a rage.
That's what rage looks like on a murder victim's body. That's not self defense, no way, no how.
Show me where the victim's body is evidence that Jodi killed him.  Show me the DNA, show me the skin under the fingernails, show me the fingerprints on the murder weapon, show me the physical evidence.

You don't believe the claim of self defense, why believe the claim of killing him that went along with it?    You're picking information that makes Jodi guilty and denying information that doesn't.  But you ARE taking what Jodi has to say as your evidence to convict her, contrary to your earlier claim that you're not.

I think it's at least a 50% chance that she killed him.  I think there's nearly that high a chance that somebody else killed him.  An unknown lover, maybe a known lover.  Maybe a friend, maybe a hired assassin that she conspired with and wishes to protect.  Maybe she doesn't believe that any jury will convict her, but she believes a jury would surely convict someone else along with her if it was known there was someone else involved.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

Yamato,

It's the EVIDENCE (not Arias' changing stories, lies, eventual admittance, or current statements under oath) that shows that Arias committed the murder. The evidence.
Even the defense acknowledges that Arias- and Arias alone, committed the murder.
The self defense plea tells us that the defense has no intention of presenting evidence that anyone else, BUT Arias, committed the murder.

Re: the body, I was simply pointing out that it takes rage to inflict such injuries to another human being.
It's the OTHER case evidence that shows that no one but Arias inflicted those injuries.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:00 PM

View PostYamato, on 23 February 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

Show me where the victim's body is evidence that Jodi killed him.  Show me the DNA, show me the skin under the fingernails, show me the fingerprints on the murder weapon, show me the physical evidence.

You don't believe the claim of self defense, why believe the claim of killing him that went along with it? You're picking information that makes Jodi guilty and denying information that doesn't.  But you ARE taking what Jodi has to say as your evidence to convict her, contrary to your earlier claim that you're not.

I think it's at least a 50% chance that she killed him.  I think there's nearly that high a chance that somebody else killed him.  An unknown lover, maybe a known lover.  Maybe a friend, maybe a hired assassin that she conspired with and wishes to protect.  Maybe she doesn't believe that any jury will convict her, but she believes a jury would surely convict someone else along with her if it was known there was someone else involved.

Interesting.  You don't believe Jodi's confession.  There are the sex photos and Jodi's bloody hand print on the wall.  So she was there at the scene at the time of the murder.  A hired assassin doesn't typically make the killing look like a rage killing.  Maybe a friend helped her?  She would still be looking at the death penalty for conspiracy.   I have a hard time picturing in my mind the sweet soft spoken girl on the stand to the horrible mental picture of repeated stabbings.  But I think she did it.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:13 PM

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Interesting.  You don't believe Jodi's confession.  There are the sex photos and Jodi's bloody hand print on the wall.  So she was there at the scene at the time of the murder.  A hired assassin doesn't typically make the killing look like a rage killing.  Maybe a friend helped her?  She would still be looking at the death penalty for conspiracy.   I have a hard time picturing in my mind the sweet soft spoken girl on the stand to the horrible mental picture of repeated stabbings.  But I think she did it.

drives 90 miles away to rent a car and tells the agent she doesn't want the red car and lies and says she is just going to use the car in town yet puts 2800 miles on it (fyi red cars typically stand out more) oh and shes blonde when she rents the car, a receipt is in evidence that she purchase hair dye in a dark brown color and is a brunette when she comes to Travis' home. Admits that neighbors and roommates recognize her as a bleach blonde. Keeps receipts except for the time she is in Arizona.
No contact evidence entered that Travis was ever aware she was coming to his home. Turns cell phone off and takes out battery while she is in the state of Arizona coming to his home and leaving the state of AZ to go on and hump another guy hours later.
The last of May Travis writes to her he is not coming to see her afterall. Mysterious 'burglary' May 28th in the home where she is living and a .25 caliber pistol is stolen but other valuable firearms are left behind and other collectables as well. Travis Alexander was shot in the head with a .25 caliber gun also known to slash tires of TA and his girlfriend which means she carries a knife. oh and she leaves voicemails and diary entries after she knows he is dead, indicating that he is still alive.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:52 PM

View PostIron_Lotus, on 23 February 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

drives 90 miles away to rent a car and tells the agent she doesn't want the red car and lies and says she is just going to use the car in town yet puts 2800 miles on it (fyi red cars typically stand out more) oh and shes blonde when she rents the car, a receipt is in evidence that she purchase hair dye in a dark brown color and is a brunette when she comes to Travis' home. Admits that neighbors and roommates recognize her as a bleach blonde. Keeps receipts except for the time she is in Arizona.
No contact evidence entered that Travis was ever aware she was coming to his home. Turns cell phone off and takes out battery while she is in the state of Arizona coming to his home and leaving the state of AZ to go on and hump another guy hours later.
The last of May Travis writes to her he is not coming to see her afterall. Mysterious 'burglary' May 28th in the home where she is living and a .25 caliber pistol is stolen but other valuable firearms are left behind and other collectables as well. Travis Alexander was shot in the head with a .25 caliber gun also known to slash tires of TA and his girlfriend which means she carries a knife. oh and she leaves voicemails and diary entries after she knows he is dead, indicating that he is still alive.

That certainly speaks to pre-meditation.  Wasn't Travis taking another girl on a trip somewhere?  If Jodi knew that, she might have taking the gun to force Travis into taking her instead.   I do believe she stole the gun.  Or maybe she was going to commit suicide and chickened out?  No, that doesn't explain all the red herrings she planted on the way there.  Ok  I've confused myself.  I need to go rethink this for a while  :)

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:31 AM

View Postregi, on 23 February 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

Yamato,

It's the EVIDENCE (not Arias' changing stories, lies, eventual admittance, or current statements under oath) that shows that Arias committed the murder. The evidence.
Even the defense acknowledges that Arias- and Arias alone, committed the murder.
The self defense plea tells us that the defense has no intention of presenting evidence that anyone else, BUT Arias, committed the murder.

Re: the body, I was simply pointing out that it takes rage to inflict such injuries to another human being.
It's the OTHER case evidence that shows that no one but Arias inflicted those injuries.
Again, WHAT evidence?

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:44 AM

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Interesting.  You don't believe Jodi's confession.  There are the sex photos and Jodi's bloody hand print on the wall.  So she was there at the scene at the time of the murder.  A hired assassin doesn't typically make the killing look like a rage killing.  Maybe a friend helped her?  She would still be looking at the death penalty for conspiracy.   I have a hard time picturing in my mind the sweet soft spoken girl on the stand to the horrible mental picture of repeated stabbings.  But I think she did it.
Which confession don't I believe ?   The first, second, or third?   You mean I don't just land on one of them the way you don't just land on another.   Sex photos aren't evidence of a murder.  The photos of her show she was there, not that she was the killer, and certainly not that she was the only killer.   If she incriminates someone else, they'll incriminate her, and her chances of winning the case would fall out the window in a hurry.  Do I believe this is the case?  I'm withholding my belief until the facts come out.  I've suggested a lot of ways and means of gathering additional evidence about this case.   If the prosecution slacks off and doesn't bother themselves with hard work that's the kind of laziness that will get this girl off on reasonable doubt.

Rage killing.  Okay.  Show me the evidence from texts, emails, photos taken that day, and whatever, that she was in a rage.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:16 AM

View PostYamato, on 23 February 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

Show me where the victim's body is evidence that Jodi killed him.  Show me the DNA, show me the skin under the fingernails, show me the fingerprints on the murder weapon, show me the physical evidence.

You don't believe the claim of self defense, why believe the claim of killing him that went along with it? You're picking information that makes Jodi guilty and denying information that doesn't.  But you ARE taking what Jodi has to say as your evidence to convict her, contrary to your earlier claim that you're not.

I think it's at least a 50% chance that she killed him.  I think there's nearly that high a chance that somebody else killed him.  An unknown lover, maybe a known lover.  Maybe a friend, maybe a hired assassin that she conspired with and wishes to protect.  Maybe she doesn't believe that any jury will convict her, but she believes a jury would surely convict someone else along with her if it was known there was someone else involved.

Just from everything i have seen and heard i put her at 95% guilty as hell,sorry yam everything about this just adds up.Though i am with you on the last 5% innocent until proven guilty,which i think will be soon proven.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:27 PM

View PostYamato, on 24 February 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

Which confession don't I believe ?   The first, second, or third?   You mean I don't just land on one of them the way you don't just land on another.   Sex photos aren't evidence of a murder.  The photos of her show she was there, not that she was the killer, and certainly not that she was the only killer.   If she incriminates someone else, they'll incriminate her, and her chances of winning the case would fall out the window in a hurry.  Do I believe this is the case?  I'm withholding my belief until the facts come out.  I've suggested a lot of ways and means of gathering additional evidence about this case.   If the prosecution slacks off and doesn't bother themselves with hard work that's the kind of laziness that will get this girl off on reasonable doubt.

Rage killing.  Okay.  Show me the evidence from texts, emails, photos taken that day, and whatever, that she was in a rage.

You really do believe in "innocent until proven guilty".  I commend that.  What I am doing here is trying to understand why Jodi would kill Travis.  What went on in her head to make her think or feel this was the right choice or only choice.  

Jodi only made one confession.  Her other explanations of what happened are not confessions.

To me, those kind of sex photos are demeaning and signs of emotional abuse.  I've seen them.  I wish I hadn't.  

I don't think Jodi deserves the death penalty.  I believe Travis emotionally abused an already damaged woman.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:37 PM

It seems there a debate on what came frist the shooting or the stabbings.I think the stabbings were frist in the shower and he was still alive and fell out of the shower, not quite dead she then shot him.  A real psycho, just like Bates in that movie Psycho. She should get the death pentaly.

What really killed Travis Alexander?
http://www.hlntv.com...ravis-alexander


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

View PostYamato, on 24 February 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

Again, WHAT evidence?

Apart from other information, this document reveals evidence collected from the scene.

http://www.grahamwin...ationreport.pdf





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