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#616    docyabut2

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:27 AM

Hi all, after listening to Laviollette all day, I can relate that Jodi many have been physically and emotionaly abused by Travis. The time before when she says he almost strangled her, was over her seeing someone else, he saw other women on along, where he claim to them he was a virgin in the religion, but with Jodi he was going all the way. And like Travis friend said Travis was obsessed with Jodi.  On the day before Travis was killed he knew Jodi after their break up had plans to go Utah to see another guy.She may have stopped in to see Travis one more time and in his power grab over her he may have physically abused her. The reason I convinced is that her old boy friends say she was always a sweet person but since she got mixed up with Travis she changed and Travis abusvie ways could have done that to her.So she may have tried to defend herself.Another thing is the gun, she said Travis said it wasn`t loaded when she got it to defend herself to try and stopped him, it could explained why there was only one bullet in it, when she turn to the knife that they used in the sex act.To me it would take the death pentaly off the table and given a lighter sentence for going persek in takening his life. Laviollette was a good whitness and I think most of us women can relate to all she said about abuse from a man.Martinez is doing no good the way he is attacking her.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:16 PM

I think I read somewhere that the order of things wasn’t related to whether it was premeditated or not (as couple of others said, that is a different issue), but whether he suffered or not.  If he was stabbed first he is more likely to have suffered and being in a lot of pain which would increase the chances of being given the death penalty (if found guilty of murder), but if it could be proven he was shot first it might reduce the sentencing even if found guilty.

Does anyone know if this would be true?  I can’t remember where I read it so don’t know if it was anything official or just some comments made by the public.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:04 PM

Does anyone really believe that she will get the death penalty?    Slim to no chance in my opinion.  Even without the abuse defense, it is extremely rare that a young lady get it.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:04 PM

View PostMoon Gazer, on 05 April 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

I think I read somewhere that the order of things wasn’t related to whether it was premeditated or not (as couple of others said, that is a different issue), but whether he suffered or not.  If he was stabbed first he is more likely to have suffered and being in a lot of pain which would increase the chances of being given the death penalty (if found guilty of murder), but if it could be proven he was shot first it might reduce the sentencing even if found guilty.

Does anyone know if this would be true?  I can’t remember where I read it so don’t know if it was anything official or just some comments made by the public.


http://www.hlntv.com...ravis-alexander



The defence is trying to prove Travis was shot frist and the proscution is trying to prove he was stabbed frist, but after looking at all blood spatter and the clean up, either can`nt  really be proven, just speculation.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 05 April 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

http://www.hlntv.com...ravis-alexander



The defence is trying to prove Travis was shot frist and the proscution is trying to prove he was stabbed frist, but after looking at all blood spatter and the clean up, either can`nt  really be proven, just speculation.

Thanks!  I thought I had read it somewhere.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:28 PM

View PostLeftcoastgal, on 04 April 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

Hey there Ms. regi.... yet another trial day rolling out.  I caught a couple minutes at front end, defense asking for jury to be sequestered apparently.  Denied.  I have wondered about this myself, especially most recently as it gets more and more press and crowds at courthouse.

So.....back to our case (haha) If the texts were brought up while the prisoner was on the stand wouldn't they have to have been entered into evidence, assigned exhibit #'s etc.?  I scoured you tube for testimony about these but got mired down by so much of the sexual stuff, got discouraged and stopped looking. I saved what is a majority of the texts from May 26th (I think) and when read together they seem a powerful ultimatum put forward by TA, calling the prisoner out on alot of stuff she'd done.  I thought about posting them here but wondered if it was too much... let me know if you want to see the running texts... they're actually alarming to a degree and sure seem to have set things in motion.  

The way things are going it will be a good while before we get to them in rebuttal.   Arrrggghhhh!

EDIT - as it turns out the defense going thru text msg by msg today.  They're up to May '08 now,  & when I tuned back in they were exactly on the series I had questions about... found out the date on the series I had is incorrect, they were all from early april, so toss that theory.
Let's see what comes up for May 26th IN COURT, the only story we can trust...  so much mix & match with the facts out in the ether you know what I mean?

Hey there, Ms. Leftcoastgal!... Well, well, well, where do I start? Oh, yeah. I'm confused at what's entered into evidence and what's not. And the news articles aren't always accurate, and yes indeed, trying to find exhibits is a real pain in the tush!
I'm not aware of a site where one can find the court documents/exhibits, or believe me, I'd be posting them here. :tu:

You know, it's no wonder that with the interest in this trial and that it's gone on this long and that the jury goes home every night, that at some point, issues are bound to come to light associated with the jury/media/public.

( :lol:... our case)

That theory? Nooooo, don't toss it! It turns out that at least some of the texts you referred to ARE in evidence. That one where Alexander says Arias is a sociopath and calls her out on other things...those are indeed from May 26th.
(Of course, the abuse expert had an entirely different interpretation of those, but we didn't expect anything other than what she said, now did we? :no:
What can I say? It doesn't call for an expert to accurately interpret those texts. :whistle: )

Anyway, look at what we know about the chain of events because whatever set them in motion occurred before the 28th. (I say May 28th because that's the first blatant indication- that I know of- of premeditation of murder.)
Arias wrote a 500 dollar check on May 25th (or, that was when it was dated... and I think she mailed it. According to what she told a detective on a phone interview, it was the first of her payments she was to make to Alexander for the BMW he'd sold to her. It seems she said he wanted something like a hundred dollars a month minimum- it was a very casual agreement between them- but apparently, according to the amount-  then she'd had the car for a while without making any payments. I wonder, though, if there wasn't something more to that 500 dollar check.)
Then there was text from Alexander on the 26th and the burglary reported May 28th.

I don't know anything about the communication between Arias and Alexander immediately prior to or since those on the 26th, and it'd be nice to know why Arias wrote that check- in that amount- on the 25th when it's highly doubtful she could make good on it.
I'd like to know what Arias did that caused Alexander to call her out like he did in those texts. I think it could have been an invasion of privacy issue, or certainly, several things combined, but it's clear that whatever it was, it was huge from Alexander's perspective.

Edited by regi, 05 April 2013 - 04:32 PM.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

This Snow White thing is so ridiculous! "Was Snow White a Battered Women?" That's the title of a presentation Alyce LaViolette gave at some domestic violence conference in Calif. some time ago. What a bunch of hokum! LaV. claims Snow White was an abused child. Uh, excuse me? According to the fairy tail, Snow White was abused by her wicked stepmother--A WOMAN! Not a boyfriend, not a husband, not a partner, none of the dwarves. It says Prince Charming kissed her while she was in a coma, she woke up, they fell in love, got married, and LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER!  It says nothing about Snow White marrying the prince, who turned out to be a batterer who knocked SW around for years, bullied her, dominated her and coerced her into kinky sex that degraded her. It didn't say she got pushed around by the prince until she couldn't take it anymore, so she snapped one day and butchered the guy. How dumb. Someone I know said Martinez is going after ALV on this to make her look like a flake, to discredit her. IMO, anyone who makes up the premise of Snow White being a battered woman deserves discrediting. I wonder how much ALV was paid to give that Snow White talk. I would like to know how many hungry children living in poverty could have had a nutritious meal on the money paid to ALV for that malarche. Sheesh!


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:31 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 04 April 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

There is not argument that explains all she did in a way that lessens the brutality and cold-bloodedness of it IMO. Even if Travis did dominate and bully her...
... Murdering him isn't a defensible option.

Hi Aaronsmom... I think this is the full point the prosecution wants to drive home to the jury...  and by extension to the death house. JM referred repeatedly to TA's suffering when he had the ME on the stand.  It is, as you said, indefensible.  The facts show it to be exactly what it was, regardless of which side tells it, for TA it was brutal and then some.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:02 PM

View PostMoon Gazer, on 05 April 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

I think I read somewhere that the order of things wasn’t related to whether it was premeditated or not (as couple of others said, that is a different issue), but whether he suffered or not.  If he was stabbed first he is more likely to have suffered and being in a lot of pain which would increase the chances of being given the death penalty (if found guilty of murder), but if it could be proven he was shot first it might reduce the sentencing even if found guilty.

He was just as likely to have 'suffered and been in a lot of pain' if the gunshot was the first wound because the gunshot wasn't enough to have killed him.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:50 PM

Hey Ms. regi...
yesterdays court review of txt & IM's is posted on YT.  Trial day 41.  You can get decent screen shots of  the spreadsheet detailing the communications, pause the clip & enlarge so you can read them yourself w/o lawyers and witness discussion.  (nice feature :tu:  haha).  Anyway, wanted to comment on some of your thoughts.  I sure hope JM loses this Snow White analogy he's trying to use right now.  It feels like a poor fit... he's taking big risk with an already tired jury, IMO. Anyway... a few days rest is right on time!

'regi' timestamp='1365179326' post='4724715']
That theory? Nooooo, don't toss it! It turns out that at least some of the texts you referred to ARE in evidence. That one where Alexander says Arias is a sociopath and calls her out on other things...those are indeed from May 26th.
So I learned.  What I had did incl.  bits from April, most were 26th though incomplete.  IM's covered a period of 6-hrs, 16-pages in print.  IM’s from 26th are discussed in court Thurs 4/4

What can I say? It doesn't call for an expert to accurately interpret those texts.

True, but differences of opinion R likely though. I know I came away w/new perspective on how addicted these two were to each other, to the highs, lows, sex, fights, all of it. IMO they were equally enmeshed in a toxic relationship that neither could fully just walk away from.  Example being after this 6-hr epic IM, TA unloading fully at JA from 1,000 miles away,  a day (or 2? not confirmed yet) later he was nice to her again & inviting her to come over on her way to Utah for sex.

Anyway, look at what we know about the chain of events because whatever set them in motion occurred before the 28th

Yes, the plan manifests, action begins. 5/28 Grandpa’s gun disappears. Two questions I have about chain of events, & am sure JM covered them, so I'll look 4 'em later.

Arias wrote a 500 dollar check on May 25th  this hasn’t come up a lot.

Can’t comment, don’t know enough about this.  Nobody covered this yet in open court?. They did establish over last couple days that TA was borrowing money from folks, incl.JA. He wasn't in good financial shape, but guarded that fact closely, though who does share this with the world at large, besides nobody.

I don't know anything about the communication between Arias and Alexander immediately prior to or since those on the 26th.  Trial Day 41 reviews txt & IM’s going back Jan-May 26, then hands off LaViolette to prosecution.

I'd like to know what Arias did that caused Alexander to call her out like he did in those texts. I think it could have been an invasion of privacy issue, or certainly, several things combined.

Agreed by the 26th IM he'd become aware of all the breaches into his various accounts.  But there is more that isn’t clear,  it's part of threatening the ultimatum of exposing her to everyone, but some part of this was left unsaid, (therefore undocumented). What is it i wonder?  So big or awful it couldn't be IM'ed?  Seemed like something else was there, avoided, but... could be nothing in the end.  

I'm sure you'll be percolating over the parts that have a hold on your thoughts, like that check for one, maybe camera case still?  Fit in a nice weekend while you're at it.  This case is exhausting even for long distance viewers, imagine what the players are feeling like on Friday.  WHEW with that Amen?  :st  
sorry if too long fellow trial watchers. I've trimmed it 2X ... really.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:21 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 05 April 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

This Snow White thing is so ridiculous! "Was Snow White a Battered Women?" That's the title of a presentation Alyce LaViolette gave at some domestic violence conference in Calif. some time ago. What a bunch of hokum! LaV. claims Snow White was an abused child. Uh, excuse me?

Hi Aaronsmom, that's actually incorrect   JM was hoping to nail her to child abuse at one point and she adamantly stated it was absolutely not about children or child abuse, nor SW's experiences as a child which she said she knew nothing about, smiling about it.  Hope she enjoyed that smile, she's not going to get many of those moments with this prosecutor.

.LaViolette stated in court that the title of the presentation was aimed at simply having an advertising hook & "using a catchy title" and that the example upholding a concept of abuse was about  "her being adult and being abused",  I guess by the Evil  Queen of the Realm, who she ran away from home over. I swear, I'm not having a memory of Snow White being abused by her Mom & Dad, I can't recall.

You can watch for yourself, that days testimony is on You Tube. Lots of media sources are reporting irresponsibly about both sides of this case, IMO.  Believe only what you see in court, coz all the pundits seem to have a dog in this fight.  Air time and advertising.  Good weekend to you and Aaron!


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:24 PM

View PostMoon Gazer, on 05 April 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

I think I read somewhere that the order of things wasn’t related to whether it was premeditated or not (as couple of others said, that is a different issue), but whether he suffered or not.  If he was stabbed first he is more likely to have suffered and being in a lot of pain which would increase the chances of being given the death penalty (if found guilty of murder), but if it could be proven he was shot first it might reduce the sentencing even if found guilty.

Does anyone know if this would be true?  I can’t remember where I read it so don’t know if it was anything official or just some comments made by the public.

I know what you're referring to and I can't find the document now (I think it's posted here somewhere!) which addresses consideration of the suffering of the victim- both physically and emotionally- and injuries beyond what would knowingly cause death, but I think murder with premeditation- alone- is first degree.

Edited by regi, 05 April 2013 - 10:44 PM.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:08 AM

Thanks left coast gal. Actually, I did see a good portion of the Snow White testimony Thu. So that's what in going on, not any reports or commentary. I know ALV said it was a catchy title and that was the only significance. But that in itself calls her credibility into question IMO. The story of Snow White doesn't say anything about domestic violence, a battered woman, etc. She was treated cruelly by her stepmother, but that has no tie-in to being a battered woman. This means ALV invented a title she hoped would catch people's attention without concerning herself with the content having anything to do with domestic abuse or battered woman.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:32 AM

How about that new movie Snow White and the Huntsman, the queen was the battered women:):)


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:19 PM

View PostLeftcoastgal, on 05 April 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:


True, but differences of opinion R likely though. I know I came away w/new perspective on how addicted these two were to each other, to the highs, lows, sex, fights, all of it. IMO they were equally enmeshed in a toxic relationship that neither could fully just walk away from.  Example being after this 6-hr epic IM, TA unloading fully at JA from 1,000 miles away,  a day (or 2? not confirmed yet) later he was nice to her again & inviting her to come over on her way to Utah for sex.

They did establish over last couple days that TA was borrowing money from folks, incl.JA. He wasn't in good financial shape, but guarded that fact closely, though who does share this with the world at large, besides nobody
Agreed by the 26th IM he'd become aware of all the breaches into his various accounts.  But there is more that isn’t clear,  it's part of threatening the ultimatum of exposing her to everyone, but some part of this was left unsaid, (therefore undocumented). What is it i wonder?  So big or awful it couldn't be IM'ed?  Seemed like something else was there, avoided, but... could be nothing in the end.  


I don't agree that they were 'equally enmeshed' and 'that neither could walk away'. I think Arias kept herself in Alexander's life, and that she used sex to do it. It's a scenario that's clearly evident in that May 10th phone call.
I think each had very different reasons for continuing contact after Arias moved back to California, but I want to stress that those are VERY DIFFERENT reasons.

I don't know of any time that Alexander borrowed money from Arias.... I don't know when Arias would have been in a financial position to loan money, period. At one point, she apparently couldn't buy herself a phone.
I don't know when Alexander had financial issues- or to what extent or why- but at one point, Alexander paid Arias to clean his home.
Alexander sold his BMW to Arias and if she needed the money financed then SHE would have been in debt to HIM...
Weeks before the murder, Alexander bought what's been referred to as an expensive camera....

The picture I see is that Arias always lived with other people, and she eventually had no choice but to move in with her grandparents into a small, humble home in small town Yreka.

I have no knowledge that Alexander 'invited' Arias over on her way to Utah. Her trip to Utah itself was a ruse. I'm not aware that Alexander ever knew she was coming.





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