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Posted 13 April 2013 - 03:12 AM

Pardon the drive-by observation. It must be horrible for his family and friends when they hear his personal life brought to the attention of the whole civilized world. Imagine if your most intimate, personal experiences were "shared" in that way. Think about your most embarrassing moments broadcast in front of your children, parents, colleagues, etc..

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 03:55 AM

Good observation,, Mystery Detective. It's awful even that Jodi Arias is having all that smut made public, and how humiliating for her family (I felt the same way about Monica Lewibski and her parents) but Arias is there because she butchered someone. She must bear the consequences. Alexander, OTOH, may have been a creep and a sleaze but his life was taken and he's not here to defend himself.  And his poor family. This has to be so agonizing for them. I can't imagine sitting in a courtroom and listening to all this sleazy stuff made public about my murdered son.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:17 AM

View PostAaronsmom, on 13 April 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

Good observation,, Mystery Detective. It's awful even that Jodi Arias is having all that smut made public, and how humiliating for her family (I felt the same way about Monica Lewibski and her parents) but Arias is there because she butchered someone. She must bear the consequences. Alexander, OTOH, may have been a creep and a sleaze but his life was taken and he's not here to defend himself.  And his poor family. This has to be so agonizing for them. I can't imagine sitting in a courtroom and listening to all this sleazy stuff made public about my murdered son.

I agree with your comment on Jodi. I feel bad for her family and friends, though. It has to be excruciatingly painful for Alexander's loved ones. It's as if ghouls put his corpse on public display. The 24/7 salacious media is complicit in this, presenting the case in a carnival atmosphere. Some of the talking heads and their guests giggle like junior high school students over the pornographic aspects of the case. It's all done for titillation while dozens of other crime stories are uniformly ignored. It's par for the course in the era of Nancy Grace.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 05:20 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 13 April 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

I agree with your comment on Jodi. I feel bad for her family and friends, though. It has to be excruciatingly painful for Alexander's loved ones. It's as if ghouls put his corpse on public display. The 24/7 salacious media is complicit in this, presenting the case in a carnival atmosphere. Some of the talking heads and their guests giggle like junior high school students over the pornographic aspects of the case. It's all done for titillation while dozens of other crime stories are uniformly ignored. It's par for the course in the era of Nancy Grace.

You just nailed it!I stopped following this case about 3 weeks after it really started being all over the news....For 1. its not that damn interesting,pretty clear cut as to someone took anothers life brutally no matter the supposed circumstance....2.The media and fans of this story (no offense to any here,just look at the kind of attention casey anthoney got) have made this person a public figure.So anyone who turns on the news,net,paper or anything else has had to see and hear about her every single day for months to years on end,now she's selling her artwork  (any here care to buy a media "stars" art?)  ;)  In this day and time a person like charles manson would be salivating!With todays media and love of the famous charlie may have got 10 years max!This woman will get a few years at the most,to much attention has been given to it.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

Obviously, a lot of people are 'interested' in this case because if people weren't interested, then the media's focus would be elsewhere.
Now, this case may not be any more 'interesting'- or deserving of attention- than any other similar case, but the public isn't privy to any other similar case.
People like watching other people. What else is new?

We're allowed to follow this case in the courtroom, and above all else, I think it's definitely a good thing to have transparency in our judicial system, that is, cameras in the courtroom.
I think a trial can be a fascinating process...tedious for sure, but at times, riveting.
I'm still looking forward to the rebuttal phase of this trial because I'm anxious to have a clear understanding of what that's all about.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 05:11 PM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 13 April 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

... a person like charles manson would be salivating!With todays media and love of the famous charlie may have got 10 years max!This woman will get a few years at the most,to much attention has been given to it.

Hi there CK - I found myself feeling concerned that all this attention was going to end up working in favor of the defendant in the long run, so what then of justice?   I'm becoming  more and more convinced that media has no place in a court of law, broadcasting trials like this to the world at large.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 02:27 AM

I really getting sick of this trial, but I might have a analysis of the problems involved in the case, I think Travis was afraid Jodi was going to expose his dirty little secret and wanted to break it off with her. Why would just a few weeks before would he write emails saying he loved her and could`nt live with out her, but later  emails saying to her she was evil,  a three hole wonder, a hore and all kinds of verbal abuse. I do think she went there to hurt him, and get back at him.By looking at all the photos Travis never made it off the floor. The last photo before in the shower was of him sitting posing. She then shot him because the  gun shot spatter was on the shower`s wood worked. He fell out of the shower on the floor She then started stabbing him, because the next photo was him lying just ouside the shower of him with blood running down his neck and hands up like he was trying to fight her.  I believe he crawl to the sink trying to lift himself up  not standing because the blood spatter was just above the sink and fell back down while she kept stabbing him,and try crawling got down the hall  the camera was kicked along, where the next picture of his shoulder is of him lying by the hall`s base board .He stuggled and crawl to the end of the hall where she finish the stabbings by the neck, a horriable way to go,but I think Jodi anger and rage was over him breaking it off with her and from all of his verbal abuse.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 02:41 PM

View Postregi, on 13 April 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

We're allowed to follow this case in the courtroom, and above all else, I think it's definitely a good thing to have transparency in our judicial system, that is, cameras in the courtroom.
I think a trial can be a fascinating process...tedious for sure, but at times, riveting.
I'm still looking forward to the rebuttal phase of this trial because I'm anxious to have a clear understanding of what that's all about.

Just for clarification, when I said that I think cameras in the courtroom is a good thing, I certainly didn't mean for the sake of entertainment.
I think video is additionally beneficial- another record of the event- not for the sake of spectators so much, but for court officials.
Now, as a follower of a case- as a court observer- I definitely prefer to see and hear directly rather than have to rely on information from a reporter.

Edited by regi, 14 April 2013 - 02:43 PM.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:07 AM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 13 April 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

You just nailed it!I stopped following this case about 3 weeks after it really started being all over the news....For 1. its not that damn interesting,pretty clear cut as to someone took anothers life brutally no matter the supposed circumstance....2.The media and fans of this story (no offense to any here,just look at the kind of attention casey anthoney got) have made this person a public figure.So anyone who turns on the news,net,paper or anything else has had to see and hear about her every single day for months to years on end,now she's selling her artwork  (any here care to buy a media "stars" art?)  ;)  In this day and time a person like charles manson would be salivating!With todays media and love of the famous charlie may have got 10 years max!This woman will get a few years at the most,to much attention has been given to it.

I agree with *almost* all of that. I think that this woman likely will be sentenced to close to life in prison. Other than that point, you and I are not just on the same page. We're on the same word. These crime stories come in cycles. All channels and programs cover the exact same stories for a few months until they find the next ubiquitous, universal flavor of the season. Not only do they ignore other crime stories. They ignore other *news* stories. Much of the uncovered crime news and regular news are much more important than the Arias case. Look at how they ignore the abortionist's mass murder of babies. Their lame excuse is that it's a local story. What is the Arias case, an international incident?

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 01:16 PM

I don't know if others have looked closely at it, but the relationship between Arias and Alexander was a relatively short one. I've tried to gain a clearer picture of it, and correlate dates with events, and that phone interview helped a lot.
First, realize that they knew each a total of 21 months. They met in September of '06, but weren't a 'couple' until February of '07. They broke up the following June, so it's closer to 4 months that they were actually a couple.
Also, Arias didn't move from California to Mesa until AFTER they had broken up.

Now, there's texts from Jan '08 which reveal a physically intimate relationship, and apparently they traveled together in March of '08.
(I would assume this was at least part of the time period when Arias cleaned house for Alexander. She said in the phone interview that he paid her 'monthly' to keep his house clean.)

From the phone interview:
Arias told the detective that she purchased Alexander's BMW around the time when she was about to move back to California.
She said she was supposed to be moved on or about April 1st.
(Apparently), it was when she was moving that she said she towed the BMW in gear which trashed it, and that it was taken to a service station in Mesa and it sat there until liability could be established. She said she didn't know the current status, or if the BMW was still located at that station.
She volunteered about not having anywhere to sleep...that she'd been sleeping on a borrowed futon, and that the owner retrieved it and she went on to say that she stayed the next 5 days at Alexander's with her U-Haul parked around the corner from his house.
(The precise reason for staying at Alexander's the next 5 days wasn't clear.)

She told the detective that her current vehicle was soon to be repossessed.

Since it's believed that Alexander's voice-mail was activated after his death, Arias was asked about her knowledge of his pin number. She then rattled off all of the numerous pin numbers Alexander had used; she knew the pins to his garage, his ATM, and others I don't recall, but that alone makes it evident that Arias had access to a lot of Alexander's sensitive information.

Arias asked about the check she'd written and what would become to it.
The detective then asked about the check amount because Arias had already told him that the minimum payment was 100.00 a month, and that it was her first payment, but it had been only a couple of months.
The reason for the amount (500.00) wasn't clear, and the detective didn't press the issue.

I found it very revealing when Arias answered the detective about the nature of their relationship- that it was physically intimate. She expressed embarrassment/shame on Alexander's part because "He's Mormon".
Of course, Arias completely disregarded the fact that she was also Mormon, and had been since 2 months after she'd met him.
And... she inadvertently revealed that she was indeed aware that that type of relationship was not approved of in the Mormon faith.
(She'd testified that she hadn't known any better. :whistle: )


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 04:42 PM

Now hold on a cotton pickin' minute.

Where's that 500.00 dollar check? Is it not in evidence?
I viewed testimony from the trial, Day 2. (Bless someone named David Lohr for uploading on YouTube the trial in it's entirety and without sidebars!)
There's a check #3059 (Exhibit #222) from Arias to Alexander in the amount of 200.00 dollars, dated 5-28-08 and the notes on it read that it's for "car payment April & May".
So, where the heck is the 500.00 dollar check dated May 26th?! I saw a photo of that check on another board... I know it exists!.... but I'm still listening to more evidence being presented, so maybe it has yet to come up in further testimony.

Another revelation...there's no pieces of rope. The evidence is described as 'fabric' by two different witnesses. One piece was collected from the bathroom floor, and the other was collected from on the stairs.
They're very small pieces and each one has a tassel on one end.
The testimony about that evidence is on Day 2 of the trial and both Det. Flores and lab tech, Heather Conner, describe it the same way.
The evidence is described as consistent with those on a pillow in a chair which was positioned next to Alexander's bed.
I'm at a loss about the whole thing because testimony was that that particular pillow didn't appear to be missing any tassels, and I haven't figured out what those items could say (or suggest) about the scene.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:27 PM

View Postregi, on 16 April 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:


Another revelation...there's no pieces of rope. The evidence is described as 'fabric' by two different witnesses. One piece was collected from the bathroom floor, and the other was collected from on the stairs.
They're very small pieces and each one has a tassel on one end.
The testimony about that evidence is on Day 2 of the trial and both Det. Flores and lab tech, Heather Conner, describe it the same way.
The evidence is described as consistent with those on a pillow in a chair which was positioned next to Alexander's bed.
I'm at a loss about the whole thing because testimony was that that particular pillow didn't appear to be missing any tassels, and I haven't figured out what those items could say (or suggest) about the scene.


The defence said the rope that Jodi claimed Tavis had cut and tied her up with is the kind that is used to tie back curtains, that soft twisted robey kind of rope that has tassles on the ends.
http://www.bing.com/...ssles&FORM=IGRE


I can believe that as to why the knife Jodi used was so near by or in the bathroom. In the 62seconds of the photos, she would`nt have had time to run to the kicthen to get a knife.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:05 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 16 April 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

The defence said the rope that Jodi claimed Tavis had cut and tied her up with is the kind that is used to tie back curtains, that soft twisted robey kind of rope that has tassles on the ends.
http://www.bing.com/...ssles&FORM=IGRE

They said Alexander took a piece of rope- which would have to have been about 20' in length- from curtains?! :lol:  And from which curtains... his curtains?! :lol: :no:
Now, I don't recall testimony about rope from curtains... or curtain tie-backs, or whatever, but even if I did, it wouldn't matter because I'm still not buying that rope story!

The testimony I recall is from Arias' cross and it was re: a piece of rope about 20' in length! :whistle:


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:16 PM

She's not not-guilty yet?  :unsure2:   Seriously, when is this trial over?

The media will have to float to the next story that has all the right elements to gather a loyal audience:  Sex.  Controversy.  Celebrity.  Violence.    When this story is over, the media will move onto questing for the next cutie in trouble that meets their criteria.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:24 PM

View Postregi, on 17 April 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

Now, I don't recall testimony about rope from curtains... or curtain tie-backs, or whatever, but even if I did, it wouldn't matter because I'm still not buying that rope story!

The testimony I recall is from Arias' cross and it was re: a piece of rope about 20' in length! :whistle:

I'm surprised you buy this piece of JA's testimony, as much lying as she's done, or that it has significance overall. What role might it have played in the murder?  Did TA have rope marks?  I don't recall that.  It's likely that once upon a time in their sex play they used a 20" rope and she incorporated it into this 'story' as a detail to enhance its believability. She's cunning like that IMO.  .

A few days away has been refreshing.  This thing just won't end, will it?





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