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Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?


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#196    Frank Merton

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:28 PM

Oija boards make me nervous.  If anything is the Devil's tool, that is it.

Seriously, the last time I saw one has to be thirty years -- no, make that fifty years -- ago.  I forget what we asked it, but it gave a sensible answer back.  I guess it has something to do with subconscious muscular movments, but it didn't seem that way.

I practice telling myself that if you don't know the answer, don't guess.  Wrong guesses in life have worse penalties than staying dumb.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 14 March 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:


I practice telling myself that if you don't know the answer, don't guess.  Wrong guesses in life have worse penalties than staying dumb.

One of the best sayings i have ever heard  :tu:

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:37 PM

View PostEsoteric Toad, on 14 March 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

The difference is I may be thinking of what the future holds and plan rationally based on logical outcomes and those that believe in demons or the like are basing their lives around non-existent (in a physical sense). creatures. It becomes a crutch, a way shirking responsibility since any failing can be blamed on those damned demons/ET.

And who exactly bases their lives around demons? What I do (very rarely) has nothing to do with me blaming life on something else. Nothing to do with me and my life, period. I help others who come to me, not the other way around.

Wonder what my mental illness is :innocent:

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

You sound healthy to me.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:00 PM

View PostEsoteric Toad, on 14 March 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

The thing with demons, ghosts and almost all supernatural things is that there simply is no real proof. Only belief.

The skeptics (NOT debunkers) expect there to be some sort of reproducible evidence not anecdotal stories. Unfortunately the nature of the supernatural lends this 'aura' of impossibility. A believer in demons or aliens can simply say that they leave no physical evidence or can only be seen by those affected/afflicted. Without any way to prove anything has actually happen it is almost as if who cares whether they exist or not? People will claim to have been possessed or abducted but nothing can be done to record the events. It seems the demons and or aliens are infinitely creative and incapable of failure. Therefor what is the point of fighting any of it? I do not accept that either exist at all. I do not accept that anything is infallible except our ability to imagine and believe in the impossible and thereby create these entities in our  own minds. This is why there is no real proof, only really good stories (sometimes....mostly not).

Real life is comlex and mysterious enough without added bogey men. JMO.
but there is experience , I am talking from a first hand of experience with something . I'm a healthy person  with no medical or mental issues at all . I know for a fact that the unseen spirit world does indeed exist , however , i can't say that i know for a fact that aliens exist or what they are if they do exist . And I realize that noone has to prove life after  to anyone , I'm pretty certain that each individual  will figure it out for themselves one day .And for some strange reason , i think we still will be learning even after we cross over .


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:01 PM

View PostThe Skater Boy, on 14 March 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

And who exactly bases their lives around demons? What I do (very rarely) has nothing to do with me blaming life on something else. Nothing to do with me and my life, period. I help others who come to me, not the other way around.

Wonder what my mental illness is :innocent:
are you happy with everything in this world ? do you really and truly feel free?


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:55 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 03 March 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

I actually do believe demons exist, some stronger than others in the things they can do, but what if aliens are just that aliens.

For the record, I don't believe that demons and extraterrestrials are the same beings. This thread is here to generate discussion, as well as to hear different points of view. It now has fourteen to fifteen pages. I agree with you, by the way.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:01 AM

View PostReann, on 14 March 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Has anyone ever heard of this man Nick Redfern? I haven't , till just now. I know nothing about him or what he has researched , but , this interview does sound pretty scarey interesting.

He wrote a shelf full of books about the paranormal. He's almost like the British Brad Steiger. He mostly talks and writes about cryptids and extraterrestrials, but he covers all kinds of paranormal subjects. I don't agree with the alleged secret governmental group's claim that ET is really Beelzebub, though.

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"Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?"

No.

Thanks. We're done here.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:13 AM

View PostEsoteric Toad, on 14 March 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

The thing with demons, ghosts and almost all supernatural things is that there simply is no real proof. Only belief.

The skeptics (NOT debunkers) expect there to be some sort of reproducible evidence not anecdotal stories. Unfortunately the nature of the supernatural lends this 'aura' of impossibility. A believer in demons or aliens can simply say that they leave no physical evidence or can only be seen by those affected/afflicted. Without any way to prove anything has actually happen it is almost as if who cares whether they exist or not? People will claim to have been possessed or abducted but nothing can be done to record the events. It seems the demons and or aliens are infinitely creative and incapable of failure. Therefor what is the point of fighting any of it? I do not accept that either exist at all. I do not accept that anything is infallible except our ability to imagine and believe in the impossible and thereby create these entities in our  own minds. This is why there is no real proof, only really good stories (sometimes....mostly not).

Real life is comlex and mysterious enough without added bogey men. JMO.

I understand your point, but what if you hear an anecdote from an extremely trustworthy source? There are times when some of us, who lean to the skeptical side on most things related to this area, don't require physical and reproducible evidence if a source is unimpeachable. For instance, I would believe a decorated military pilot who says that he saw a flying saucer.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:17 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 14 March 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Oija boards make me nervous.  If anything is the Devil's tool, that is it.

Seriously, the last time I saw one has to be thirty years -- no, make that fifty years -- ago.  I forget what we asked it, but it gave a sensible answer back.  I guess it has something to do with subconscious muscular movments, but it didn't seem that way.

I practice telling myself that if you don't know the answer, don't guess.  Wrong guesses in life have worse penalties than staying dumb.

Your explanation for Ouija boards makes sense. However, it's still a forbidden thing in a lot of families here. There are a lot of frightening and weird tales associated with this "game". It's hard to believe that it's sold in the toy section at stores.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:14 PM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 15 March 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

He wrote a shelf full of books about the paranormal. He's almost like the British Brad Steiger. He mostly talks and writes about cryptids and extraterrestrials, but he covers all kinds of paranormal subjects. I don't agree with the alleged secret governmental group's claim that ET is really Beelzebub, though.



Thanks. We're done here.
Yeah , I don't know about all that and the claims that people make pertaining to some of  the governments of the world being involved in it, but , then again, i don't exactly get surprised anylonger when I do find out, or suspect  that strange things go on in secret for whatever agendas and all.
I don't know what or if they exist, but, even so , who's to say or not what they all are , that is , if they are at all.
I can tell you though , I've seen some things that I know aren't of any aircraft that I know of , I haven't seen many , just three , and , one i was with other people . I was kind of scared .,  I had a bad feeling about it , maybe because of all the talk that aliens are evil,  who knows?


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:05 PM

View PostEsoteric Toad, on 14 March 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

Belief and faith are unquestionable. People believe in all sorts of strange and completely illogical things, everyone who has any thought at all has to have some sort of belief system that relies on the unknown. The difference is I may be thinking of what the future holds and plan rationally based on logical outcomes and those that believe in demons or the like are basing their lives around non-existent (in a physical sense). creatures. It becomes a crutch, a way shirking responsibility since any failing can be blamed on those damned demons/ET.

IF there were any real evidence (or even some that was a bit odd) then it should be explored. I cannot imagine that we live in a world that if there were something to these claims at all there would not be a scientific inquiry into it. People in general do not want to be responsible for their own actions so can you imagine a world where we could say "not my fault, it was veezibleckabub from dimension 24, here is his pic!" The reason there isn't is that IT HAS been determined that there is nothing we can find. Maybe we do not have the technology, maybe we will never.

As far as the multidimensional aspect, most of that (from what I understand) is scientifically used to try and understand the nature of the universe, not a certainty. It is sort of like trying to shoehorn a theory by creating an environment that the theory could exist. That is how science works sometimes; here's an idea. How would it work? Add some dimensions!? Ok that would work but HOW DO WE TEST IT? <- the thing that SCIENCE does before it officially calls it a "theory". Unfortunately everything demons, ghosts and alienz takes part of what science 'may' say is possible and then uses 'maybes' to explain their existence.

As of right now they are nothing but creation of the mind, which is a powerful thing in of itself, and nothing more. If additional data is provided then that may change. Given that in one way or another these stories have been around for thousands of years and nothing definite has every been provided other than stories I doubt that will every change. As always, JMO.
Terrance Mckenna sort of had your line of thinking about this subect to, he thought it was all in the persons head and said that one mans alien is another mans demon. But in general he didnt think that the UFO phenomena was anything you could touch really. One of the reasons he thought it was all psychological to was than when he took magic mushrooms flying saucers and aliens would appear.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:20 AM

View PostReann, on 15 March 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Yeah , I don't know about all that and the claims that people make pertaining to some of  the governments of the world being involved in it, but , then again, i don't exactly get surprised anylonger when I do find out, or suspect  that strange things go on in secret for whatever agendas and all.
I don't know what or if they exist, but, even so , who's to say or not what they all are , that is , if they are at all.
I can tell you though , I've seen some things that I know aren't of any aircraft that I know of , I haven't seen many , just three , and , one i was with other people . I was kind of scared .,  I had a bad feeling about it , maybe because of all the talk that aliens are evil,  who knows?

Most of the strange craft likely are flown and made by corporations and/or the military. Some of them are prototypes that leave the scene when they serve their purposes, but there may be civilian witnesses who see them, mistaking them for more exotic UFOs. Intelligence operatives might plant stories to make the public believe that the craft indeed are extraterrestrial. That's not to say that it's impossible that some craft are from outer space.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 03:29 PM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 15 March 2013 - 02:55 AM, said:

For the record, I don't believe that demons and extraterrestrials are the same beings. This thread is here to generate discussion, as well as to hear different points of view. It now has fourteen to fifteen pages. I agree with you, by the way.
I dont believe there the same thing either, I think there two seperate "creatures"

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:25 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 16 March 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I dont believe there the same thing either, I think there two seperate "creatures"

I'd like to think that there are varied species of extraterrestrials too. I have no proof, but it's a fun thought. :)

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