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Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?


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#286    Hazzard

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:58 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 11 April 2013 - 03:10 AM, said:

I agree with you. However, fundamentalists might say that the craft is just part of the deception.

I could say the same thing about you.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:26 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 08 April 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Are aliens pretending to be demons or are demons pretending to be aliens?  Maybe its Sasquatches pretending to be demons while demons are pretending to be Sasquatches and the aliens really are just little pixies.  I'm sure there has to be some Bible verse somewhere that makes all this clear.

Well, the idea is demons can be directly responsible for deceptions, illusions, and weird phenomenon in order to fuel people's interest in UFOs and Bigfoot. In order to distract masses from God and cast doubt upon the Bible.

Or perhaps have an indirect link to these things, in that they operate through the thoughts and actions of individuals that act as demonically oppressed pawns.

Edited by B Jenkins, 11 April 2013 - 06:27 AM.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:54 AM

View PostB Jenkins, on 11 April 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

Well, the idea is demons can be directly responsible for deceptions, illusions, and weird phenomenon in order to fuel people's interest in UFOs and Bigfoot. In order to distract masses from God and cast doubt upon the Bible.

What would be the point of changing one absurd and unsubstantiated belief with another?

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:39 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 11 April 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

With all due respect, some skepticism reaches the level of extremism when it's based on explanations that are much less likely than the events and/or stories, themselves.

Ohh, I agree with that, but I see no reason to believe that is the case here.

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 11 April 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

Occam's Razor sometimes cuts in favor of the people who have the paranormal experience. It's also too convenient to dismiss *all* stories because they don't meet some unrealistic burden of proof that often is impossible to meet.

Imposible to meet? It's tales of the supernatural, i.e. superstition. I do not see how Occams Razor can be in favour of the claimant without a level of belief in the supernatural, which would violate Occams Razor.

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 11 April 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

It sounds like you have to literally see it to believe it.

Empirical evidence would suffice.

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 11 April 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

Of course, some claims of the paranormal and conspiracies are bogus.

Some? James Randi still has his money.

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 11 April 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

That's probably not the case when there are multitudes of credible witnesses, though, and I don't understand why that would seem confusing to you. It's all about odds. The odds are that the experienced pilot really did see the flying saucer that was witnessed by a hundred other people at the same time, although I wasn't there at the time to see it for myself.

The odds are stacked to one side. What you have is interpretation, did the pilot see a flying saucer? I doubt it, he saw a UFO, the connection to otherworld technology is already made. I bet you would get differing descriptions form the hundred people. That is how this phenomena rolls. Out of the thousands of cases, what percentage do you envisage as being genuine?

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:50 AM

View PostSweetpumper, on 10 April 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

I don't think demons would need metal balls to fly around in.
Yes, of course, but remember that these are evil beings determined to fool you, so they would use them to make you think they aren't really demons.  You have to give it to them that they are clever.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:52 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 11 April 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Yes, of course, but remember that these are evil beings determined to fool you, so they would use them to make you think they aren't really demons.  You have to give it to them that they are clever.

You  cant be serious. :unsure2:

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:56 AM

View PostHazzard, on 11 April 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

You  cant be serious. :unsure2:
Are you sure?


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:20 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 11 April 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Yes, of course, but remember that these are evil beings determined to fool you, so they would use them to make you think they aren't really demons.  You have to give it to them that they are clever.

You are talking about politicians?

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:34 AM

Politicians, of course, but also lawyers and salesmen of the used car variety and land agents and termite inspectors.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

Hazzard what do you think of Aleister Crowley?

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:42 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 11 April 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

Hazzard what do you think of Aleister Crowley?

I think he worked too hard at being "strange",... his way of trying to break away from the strict religious environment he grew up in I imagine.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:35 PM

View PostHazzard, on 11 April 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:



I think he worked too hard at being "strange",... his way of trying to break away from the strict religious environment he grew up in I imagine.
But you don't think he actually contacted anything when he was doing all the black magic and occult stuff?

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:40 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 10 April 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

Another reason I think the Travis Walton was abducted was because after his friends told the cops the cops thought they were lying and just trying to cover up the fact that they murdered him, They searched the woods for days on end and could find nothing. Then all of a suddenly he shows up, I mean yeah he could have lied about it, But then why when all his friends took the lie detector test did they pass.
I recall a part in the movie where it seemed like he was taken from one ship and then to a hanger or something where the individuals  escorting him  where described as  humans that had  some sort of suits on. I'm pretty sure that in the documentary he mentioned this and something about being transported from an area where he entered a  air craft hanger , sort of like area 51 . I can't recall if he stated that he suspected possible  government involement later on , but not at that present time when it had occured.
Personally , I have different feelings about the movie after viewing  the documentary that i've seen. I certainly do think that something occured , only I'm not certain of whether or not it was actually aliens .

You asked someone about Crowley , Crowley was a awful  individual , an evil man he was  that  hurt children in the most horrible way because  he believed it empowered him . I despise the man and because of that I say he was evil.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:07 AM

View PostHazzard, on 11 April 2013 - 05:58 AM, said:

I could say the same thing about you.

What does that mean? If you have something to say, say it.

There is one reality with billions of versions.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:19 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 11 April 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

Ohh, I agree with that, but I see no reason to believe that is the case here.
MY REPLY: Credible witnesses make the difference. All of them aren't dishonest or mistaken.


Imposible to meet? It's tales of the supernatural, i.e. superstition. I do not see how Occams Razor can be in favour of the claimant without a level of belief in the supernatural, which would violate Occams Razor.
MY REPLY: I disagree with that in this way. If a trusted, experienced pilot reports a sighting along with scores of ordinary people at the same time, the most likely outcome is that they have a shared experience.



Empirical evidence would suffice.
MY REPLY: There's nothing wrong with that. There are instances where this is not possible, though (see my example).


Some? James Randi still has his money.
MY REPLY: He's a jerk and a joke. Let him keep his money.


The odds are stacked to one side. What you have is interpretation, did the pilot see a flying saucer? I doubt it, he saw a UFO, the connection to otherworld technology is already made. I bet you would get differing descriptions form the hundred people. That is how this phenomena rolls. Out of the thousands of cases, what percentage do you envisage as being genuine?
MY REPLY: They all saw a flying saucer at the same time, but the craft could have been terrestrial, for all they knew. I'll say that a tenth to a quarter of cases are valid in some way, but don't quote me on that.


Edited by Detective Mystery 2013, 12 April 2013 - 02:22 AM.

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