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#1    Blueogre2

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:19 PM

Greetings forum, it is my belief that there are Eight Virtues that can help humanity reach the next level in it's development, I would like some feedback through, so here they are eight virtues which  can help humanity evolve. Simplicity. Lucidity. Integrity. Validity. Purity. Felicity. Eternity. Levity


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:26 PM

What does this next level consist of?


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:49 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 13 February 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

What does this next level consist of?
Theres a bonus level before the next  ;)
kidding i respect living to the virtues but i believe change starts with my self. when i can change my self, i will be able to help other if they want it

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:11 AM

Which set of Eight Virtues? As there are several renditions of such. Where has your rendition of Eight Virtues come from?  There are virtues akin to the ones the OP has mentioned in the Bushido, for example.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:15 AM

Unfortunately I don't possess any of those virtues.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:00 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 13 February 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

What does this next level consist of?
Nobody really knows but I believe that it will be something so far above modern man that it would resemble the jump from apes to hominids


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

View PostAsadora, on 14 February 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

Which set of Eight Virtues? As there are several renditions of such. Where has your rendition of Eight Virtues come from?  There are virtues akin to the ones the OP has mentioned in the Bushido, for example.


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These are eight virtues that I believe will inspire humanity to reach the next level of it's development, as far as any similarity to bushido  I can't say as I have never studied bushido


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:34 AM

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Simplicity

I don't think this will help humans evolve. Simplicity is the STARTING point. Complexity is the EXTENSION of the simple, so going back to simplicity would be going backwards...

Although, I do believe that things should not be unnecessarily complex. Make the complex as simple as possible, but don't give UP complexity for absolute simplicity or human development will stale...

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Lucidity

Sometimes, it is the unclearness that allows for beautiful expression in life.

A phrase like "God is love" can mean so many different things to different people depending on how they define the words. The simplicity allows the individual to make more personal and abstract (and almost spiritual) meanings.

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Integrity.

Definitely. Integrity is honesty. Honesty is simple compared to memorizing the lies told to others. Honesty is also more natural. You are just being yourself existing. We need more people with honesty who isn't afraid to break meaning social constructs.


Purity I would have to disagree because purity can mean many different things. It is subjective and depending on your philosophical/religious/spiritual views, purity may mean one thing for a person and opposite for another.

For  example, for some, Purity is naturalness , so sex would be pure, for others it is a impure concept.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

Somewhat related, Ghandi offered 7 blunders:

Wealth without work

Pleasure without conscience

Knowledge without character

Commerce without morality

Science without humanity

Worship without sacrifice

Politicians without principle

Rights without responsibilities


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:32 PM

How does Eternity operate as a virtue?

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

The problem with purity as a virtue is that it imposes a standard to be met.  Human ego can not deal with this without resorting to judgement, callousness, control, and abuse. Striving for perfection is not considered a harmonious thing , imo. It is single minded and self serving.

Some really shocking horrendous things and events have resulted in our human history as a result of one trying to achieve purity or impose their standard on other people. Hitler for example on a societal scale, and I'm sure we all know someone in our personal lives who causes disharmony by their very intolerances.

Simplicity and integrity are actually good ones to abide by or strive for anyone, but i would add compassion and empathy as well, for integrity without compassion or empathy can again risk becoming abusive and judgemental because of ego. How many times have you heard a person proclaim that they are brutally honest and proud of it, but have little compassion or empathy for how they deliever their honesty? Just because a person prouds them self on saying exactly what they think without being 2 faced, does not equate them to be wise, or a bearer of the truth.

Empathy and compassion are two traits that allow higher thinking and reasoning to come into effect, above and beyond the self serving ego, and so on this level, humanity would be better equipped to excersie all the other virtues without potential for abuse.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:47 AM

View PostbLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 15 February 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

The problem with purity as a virtue is that it imposes a standard to be met.  Human ego can not deal with this without resorting to judgement, callousness, control, and abuse. Striving for perfection is not considered a harmonious thing , imo. It is single minded and self serving.

Some really shocking horrendous things and events have resulted in our human history as a result of one trying to achieve purity or impose their standard on other people. Hitler for example on a societal scale, and I'm sure we all know someone in our personal lives who causes disharmony by their very intolerances.

Simplicity and integrity are actually good ones to abide by or strive for anyone, but i would add compassion and empathy as well, for integrity without compassion or empathy can again risk becoming abusive and judgemental because of ego. How many times have you heard a person proclaim that they are brutally honest and proud of it, but have little compassion or empathy for how they deliever their honesty? Just because a person prouds them self on saying exactly what they think without being 2 faced, does not equate them to be wise, or a bearer of the truth.

Empathy and compassion are two traits that allow higher thinking and reasoning to come into effect, above and beyond the self serving ego, and so on this level, humanity would be better equipped to excersie all the other virtues without potential for abuse.
Beautifully said, the best indication of virtue is in how we treat others and respect their existential positions in life without imposing our biases as judgements but rather our compassion and empathy. Also there is the great virtue of humility to understand we are no better, our ego has it's self serving agenda which could lead us into any strife just as others suffer especially if we fail to comprehend that we all share the same problems.

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If you ignore the excellencies of your own house, how do you intend to find other excellencies?
In you is hidden the treasure of treasures, Oh man, know thyself and you shall know the Universe and the Gods."

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:32 AM

Very nice sentiments.

I was always taught that these were the virtues we should express...

Humility, charity, kindness, patience, chastity, temperance, and diligence.

I have kids so...I guess I failed the fifth one

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:03 AM

View PostlibstaK, on 15 February 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

How does Eternity operate as a virtue?
Eternity is a virtue in that a person should live their lives with a mind focused on living forever. Regardless if there is or is not an afterlife people should live their lives as if they were immortals. In other words everything should be done with thought of the future in mind, and not just the world's future but your own personal future so that you live with some degree of seriousness at all times, it is intended to balence out the virtue of levity


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:07 AM

View PostbLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 15 February 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

The problem with purity as a virtue is that it imposes a standard to be met.  Human ego can not deal with this without resorting to judgement, callousness, control, and abuse. Striving for perfection is not considered a harmonious thing , imo. It is single minded and self serving.

Some really shocking horrendous things and events have resulted in our human history as a result of one trying to achieve purity or impose their standard on other people. Hitler for example on a societal scale, and I'm sure we all know someone in our personal lives who causes disharmony by their very intolerances.

Simplicity and integrity are actually good ones to abide by or strive for anyone, but i would add compassion and empathy as well, for integrity without compassion or empathy can again risk becoming abusive and judgemental because of ego. How many times have you heard a person proclaim that they are brutally honest and proud of it, but have little compassion or empathy for how they deliever their honesty? Just because a person prouds them self on saying exactly what they think without being 2 faced, does not equate them to be wise, or a bearer of the truth.

Empathy and compassion are two traits that allow higher thinking and reasoning to come into effect, above and beyond the self serving ego, and so on this level, humanity would be better equipped to excersie all the other virtues without potential for abuse.
Purity is a good virtue but it must be understood properly. To say one is pure means that you are unpolluted by the thoughts and opinions of others, you are a free thinker that refuses to allow the world to overcome your will. As for compassion I did not include it because it is a trait that humanity already has in spades. My list focuses on the things thata in my opinion humanity lacks





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