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[poppet]

greeting everyone first post so be gentle..

below is a link to a narrated slide show presented by Robert Temple who believes he has discovered the location of no less than severn 4th dynasty or before pharaohs.
Also on the same link is a slide show from the Osiris shaft lasting 20 minutes which helps put into context the huge weight of the sarcophagus's that were lowered down into the Giza plateau.

http://www.egyptiand...multimedia.html



here is a image of the valley temple with the Sphinx temple still hidden from view the Sphinx temple was not excavated until 1936 .



here is a image inside the Sphinx temple with what appears to be a hole in the bedrock.



here we can see a 100 ton worked piece of granite brought 500 miles up from Aswan and sunk into the bedrock of the temple.

you can also see that the granite block was sunk into the bedrock before the temple was constructed, as the temple wall is built over the top.





this image shows the block coming out of the north side wall of the temple.



this is one of three found on the Giza plateau and may have been used as a cable guide that fits into the recessed slot in the granite block, and was this how they lowered 40 to 60 ton objects safely down into their resting places.

i find this evidence quite compelling ,did a pharaoh die and after his burial have a temple built over his resting place ,have archoloigists mistakenly took this piece of granite as to only be a drainage channel, and as Robert Temple suggests it is actually a cable conduit.

if he is right and the tombs of Cheops and co are found in the locations that Robert has pointed too, then it's going to put a big question mark over the pyramids being built for their tombs is it not.

[wolfknight]

I have been to Giza and have seen the Sphinx. I have been inside the Pyramids. If there is anything under the Sphinx the government will not that dig there.  

[lakeview rud]

Poppet, welcome to UM.  Temple is considered a 'fringie' by many on this site so beware.  The 100 ton granite block sunk into the temple floor and below the temple wall is indeed a curious piece.  The small blocks seem to just be 'fill', used afterward to just level the floor in that area.  As to its function, who knows, but if you speculate on that without evidence, be prepared to be peppered with comments. Best wishes and I hope this thread gets some good responses.

[Tutankhaten-pasheri]

Interesting post, very interesting. I watched the video and was impressed at face value level. I am not competent to question all his research and wait to see what experts say about this, to me, unknown mystery. I would question the sharp endings to the "cable" conduits if that was actually the point where any cable did a downward turn, and I question the rather sharp curve in one of these conduits. This seems to indicate it was built curved to avoid existing structure, yet if these cable were to lower a sacophagus into some deep tomb chamber, I would have thought that the tomb would be the first part of construction and the builders be able to construct straight conduits on a virgin site. I think Temple raises some interesting questions, though I suspect that, sadly, there will never be any excavation to see the truth. Unless Egyptian state soon collapses, then I'm sure somebody will be fast on the scene with some dynamite......

And no, I was not tempted to buy the book of the video.........

Edited by Atentutankh-pasheri, 14 February 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[docyabut2]

Interesting, the buried shaft is similar to the mysterious shafts and small blocks in the great pyramid. Like who ever contructed the great pyramid also contructed the Sphinx and the temple.Maybe its where Khufu is buried. I consider the sphinx was built side ways in front of the great pyramid that belong to kuhfu pyramid, just like all the other  pictures of sphinxs place sideways, not faced foward , in front of some monument.

Edited by docyabut2, 14 February 2013 - 10:30 PM.

[poppet]

Thanks for the welcome lakeview rud

I’m not here to win any battles or sell any books, I first came across this info nearly two years ago and to be honest thought it would be the next big thing, bigger than finding king tut ,obviously the Egyptian antiquities know about this new research because it was they who gave Robert unprecedented access to the Osiris shaft and the temple’s ,maybe in Egypt’s present climate they have decided that if there is something down there, then it’s better off staying down there at the moment.

As for Robert Temple being “fringie” it’s the message not the messenger that interests me ,if you take a look around the Egyptian dawn web site he has shared all his photos and also the only valley temple excavation report to everyone ………no need to buy his book.
And if you would like the dates that he and Ioannis Liritzis have suggested for some of the structures at Giza then he has posted them for free also.

Robert Temple Explains The Challenge Posed To Egyptology By A New Dating Technique

http://www.freemason...t-ancient-egypt

I didn’t join um to promote anyone , I have no guru’s ……..it’s only the information that I’m interested in .

Peace.

[cladking]

I inadvertantly looked at the wrong slideshow first.  It is just fascinating.  He ends up
say "we have to find out what's underneath Giza".  Truer words were never spoken.

He also says several very large stalagmites are in the valley temple.  Imagine!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no time now... ...but later...

[lakeview rud]

Poppet, I agree on the message, not the messenger.  One thing I liked about his book on the Sphinx were the many, many detailed photographs.  I also disagree about when someone points out something someone has gotten wrong and uses that as an excuse to condemn everything that person says.  Baseball players get paid very well for batting .300; I think valid points and theories should be investigated regardless of the source.

[Spore]

Very Interesting.   Ancient people did in fact have a sophisticated form of technology. I also found out that the Olmec heads were carved using a  convex lens and the Sun.

[jaylemurph]

Spore, on 15 February 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

Very Interesting.   Ancient people did in fact have a sophisticated form of technology. I also found out that the Olmec heads were carved using a  convex lens and the Sun.

I wasn't aware that any Mesoamerican culture had glass -- indeed, as Stone Age people, I'd be curious to know how they managed to create glass, since in the Old World, they didn't have until the first or second century CE, and that's millennia after Stone Age technology.

--Jaylemurph

[Everdred]

poppet, on 15 February 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

Robert Temple Explains The Challenge Posed To Egyptology By A New Dating Technique

http://www.freemason...t-ancient-egypt

The OSL dating for the Pyramid of Menkaure is quite interesting, especially since its lower end overlaps with the carbon dating results, both of which disagree with traditional dating.

[pallidin]

Those pics are AMAZING.

On the 4'th pic(with the man) I can only imagine how the builders had no idea of a modern human sitting in their construction. Stunning to think about.

Also, I noticed the very small horizontal "channel" leading towards(or away from) the massive vertical block in the background.(3'rd pic)
Wonder what's behind that massive vertical block.  

Edited by pallidin, 16 February 2013 - 01:59 AM.

[poppet]

lakeview rud, on 15 February 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Poppet, I agree on the message, not the messenger.  One thing I liked about his book on the Sphinx were the many, many detailed photographs.  I also disagree about when someone points out something someone has gotten wrong and uses that as an excuse to condemn everything that person says.  Baseball players get paid very well for batting .300; I think valid points and theories should be investigated regardless of the source.

I think Robert Temple has taken flack from the “fringies” and the mainstream Egyptoligists, he spent nine months trying to obtain permission to use the new dating system on all the pyramids (permission is only granted when no fewer than six departments have agreed army/navy/airforce/secret service) only to have a meeting with Hawass in his Giza office who screwed his written permission up and throw it back in his face telling Robert that he was the chief authourity and above all the others.
Personally I enjoyed The Sphinx Mystery and he did a very good interview on Gardeners world which is well worth a watch.

http://blip.tv/gardi...orld-24-3894655

lots of images here

http://www.sphinxmys...hotographs.html

whether the Sphinx started life as the jackal  god Anubis is a bit of a hot potato ,interesting theory and there are coffin texts/ spells and utterances that all mention a jackal lake but whether that is the location of the Sphinx or yet another undiscovered structure is a matter of opinion.
With the Sphinx being at least 4000 years old the function of the structure has most likely changed many times.
I recently spent some time in peru and Bolivia were I met with Dr Robert Schoch ,the very mention of Robert Temple sent Schoch into a savage rant and I was quite taken aback, when he had calmed down I tried to explain the  cable conduit theory and Schoch knew absolutly nothing about it, I found this very puzzling as those two have been having a lituary ding dong for a while now and I would have thought Schoch would have been up to speed on anything new concerning the Sphinx and Sphinx temple.
Schoch gave me his e mail address a few days later and asked me to send him on this new  information , but I am still waiting for a reply.

[Spore]

@jaylemurph  I wasn't aware that any Mesoamerican culture had glass -- indeed, as Stone Age people, I'd be curious to know how they managed to create glass, since in the Old World, they didn't have until the first or second century CE, and that's millennia after Stone Age technology.

mm  I'd be curious to know as well

Edited by Spore, 16 February 2013 - 08:20 PM.

[cladking]

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this image shows the block coming out of the north side wall of the temple.



this is one of three found on the Giza plateau and may have been used as a cable guide that fits into the recessed slot in the granite block, and was this how they lowered 40 to 60 ton objects safely down into their resting places.

These are called 'proto-pulleys" by orthodoxy and assumed to have the sort of function
you propose.  I seriously doubt they were intended for such a purpose.

Let's hope the new regime in place is more interested in learning the truth.