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[Abramelin]

freetoroam, on 16 February 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

maybe this is a bit of rock and the Russian one are from the same asteroid which is somewhere out there.

If bits come away from an asteroid way way out in space, then by the time they get pulled towards Earth, after a bit of floating around and considering the Earth rotates, then it does not mean they will land in the same place.   just asking??????????????

That's funny, I have been thinking of the same.

It may be a very large spread out swarm in front of a large rock.

Oh well, I think I watch to many movies, lol.


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Edited by Abramelin, 16 February 2013 - 08:21 PM.

[freetoroam]

Abramelin, on 16 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

Imagine this had happened in a major city in the Soviet Union during the 70's of the past century... or on the border between present day Pakistan and India, or in North Korea.

Thats the thing, it could happen anywhere.

But there are many countries where if they do not think it is an attack from another country, they believe it is an attack on them by God..
I remember watching in disbelief  a documentary about the Thailand tsunami where some people believed it happened because they had upset their god.

I doubt the Russians think it is the Americans, they have radar to track things coming into their air space and would have said something a lot earlier.

[Abramelin]

freetoroam, on 16 February 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

Thats the thing, it could happen anywhere.

But there are many countries where if they do not think it is an attack from another country, they believe it is an attack on them by God..
I remember watching in disbelief  a documentary about the Thailand tsunami where some people believed it happened because they had upset their god.

I doubt the Russians think it is the Americans, they have radar to track things coming into their air space and would have said something a lot earlier.

That's why I said, 'what if it had happened in the Soviet Union during the 1970s'.

And personally I prefer people thinking they had angered some god above people thinking their enemy/neigbouring country had launched a missile.

[AsteroidX]

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I doubt the Russians think it is the Americans, they have radar to track things coming into their air space and would have said something a lot earlier.

The Russians/China/Japan?AZ/ and the EU and many countries are able to track things leaving others airspace which is moreso important in these types of events then reentry. Thats the tracking bit. Are they shooting at us. We know within a moment or two where a Best Korean missile is going to land. That is if it doesnt assplode along the way itself.

[freetoroam]

Abramelin, on 16 February 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

That's why I said, 'what if it had happened in the Soviet Union during the 1970s'.

And personally I prefer people thinking they had angered some god above people thinking their enemy/neigbouring country had launched a missile.

if it had happened in the soviet union during the 1970`s and they could not see it in time with their own tracking devices to stop it, I doubt we would be discussing it today on here...or anywhere.

[AsteroidX]

During the 70's the early warning was just a ballistic launch was made and generally where it was headed. Thats why we were in a cold war because there was a lot more fear and a lot less information as to what items being launched were. Nowadays its a lot easier for us to tell what they are doing and vice versa so that tension dropped immensely. Cold War was entirely built on fear of the unknown and few other things.

[Professor T]

Waspie_Dwarf, on 16 February 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

Wrong.
From the angle of approach you can deduce the orbit of the objects. As they approached from different directions they must have been in different orbits, If they are in different orbits they are not associated.

At the risk of being publically "Wronged" I'm going to challenge this assumption..

If the russian rock (2m) was on a long eliptical orbit that was turning back towards DA14 @ the time the Earth got in it's way then you would have a senaro where both objects were between the Earth and approaching from completely different angles.. Hense why I think it is quite possible for there to have been an orbital relationship between the two objects... (think of it like DA14 having captured the russian rock in an orbit that preceeds it. As a result, looking at the motion of travel of the russian rock you'd have a corkscrewing motion that moves back and forwards through space as it travels with DA14.


Where this theory falls apart imo, is that i think DA14 is far to small to hold an object in an eliptical orbit..

Edited by Professor T, 16 February 2013 - 09:29 PM.

[Abramelin]

Waspie_Dwarf, on 16 February 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

Wrong.
From the angle of approach you can deduce the orbit of the objects. As they approached from different directions they must have been in different orbits, If they are in different orbits they are not associated.

But do we know the orbit of the objects, or was that just a wild guess?

[bison]

freetoroam, on 16 February 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

maybe this is a bit of rock and the Russian one are from the same asteroid which is somewhere out there.

If bits come away from an asteroid way way out in space, then by the time they get pulled towards Earth, after a bit of floating around and considering the Earth rotates, then it does not mean they will land in the same place.   just asking??????????????

Meteors can and do travel in swarms. That is the basis for meteor showers. The individual objects can be intercepted by Earth, at any point over its surface, for a number of consecutive days. Meteor swarms are typically caused by the break up  comets, which can contain quite a bit of rock and mineral debris, in among the ice. The Russian and Cuban meteorites could be from such a swarm. If so, it would apparently be one which we haven't know of, up until now.

[Abramelin]

Abramelin, on 16 February 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

But do we know the orbit of the objects, or was that just a wild guess?

This could explain why the meteorites came from a different direction.

[AsteroidX]

The trajectory picture of the Russian meteor was much more T shaped then your drawing. But now that theres been 2 events (small) over the west coast US and the Cuban one (a bit bigger then small but smaller the Russia) one should speculate these events were related to the flyby.

Or we just got hit by one of the biggest coincidences ever. And just think if a chunk had hit DA14 altering its course....So yeah Ill go with the related to myself.

[freetoroam]

bison, on 16 February 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Meteors can and do travel in swarms. That is the basis for meteor showers. The individual objects can be intercepted by Earth, at any point over its surface, for a number of consecutive days. Meteor swarms are typically caused by the break up  comets, which can contain quite a bit of rock and mineral debris, in among the ice. The Russian and Cuban meteorites could be from such a swarm. If so, it would apparently be one which we haven't know of, up until now.

Yes, they travel in swarms as they reach Earth. I was just wondering if they had broken away from the asteroid much further out, like Abramelins picture.

As i have been told they can not possibly be from DA14, there must be somewhere another asteroid or comet out there, it can`t be that far away for 2 bits of debris to have fallen here within such a short space of time...that really would be a major coincidence  surely if they have nothing to do with each other?
i can understand not spotting the small bits of rocks, but have they not spotted the other asteroid these 2 came from either?

[Sky Scanner]

freetoroam, on 16 February 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

Yes, they travel in swarms as they reach Earth. I was just wondering if they had broken away from the asteroid much further out, like Abramelins picture.

As i have been told they can not possibly be from DA14, there must be somewhere another asteroid or comet out there, it can`t be that far away for 2 bits of debris to have fallen here within such a short space of time...that really would be a major coincidence  surely if they have nothing to do with each other?
i can understand not spotting the small bits of rocks, but have they not spotted the other asteroid these 2 came from either?

The odds of two unrelated objects hitting on the same day are rare, but only rare in our timescales (if you see what I mean). Someone did do the calculations, working with the fact we get a large'ish hit every century, and smaller hits every so many years etc...then worked that with the 4.5 billion yrs the earth has been here, and they came back with a calculation of something like we ought to have been hit on the same day about 12,000 times already..

Edit - here's the article:

http://edition.cnn.c...eteor-asteroid/

[AsteroidX]

For all practical purposes what hit us could have been the entirety of the swarm except what missed us. No telling what the original rock size was.

[mysticwerewolf]

so how many  different fireballs were actually seen, i have heard of Russia, Cuba, Perth Australia,  California, and possibly Utah. 5 hits and a grazeing miss in less than 24 hours.  if they are all true....., well i don't believe in that much coincidence

Edited by mysticwerewolf, 16 February 2013 - 11:20 PM.