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There Will Be No Economic Recovery


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#16    Yamato

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:19 AM

View PostAsteroidX, on 18 February 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

In the circles I talk to the answer is no. Unless the changes that are needed are fulfilled in a reasonable way.

Even Rural America is very aware of the crisis in this country and being that we are the breadbaskets that the cities depend on we do want to be heard. We do not have financial crisis beyond land ownership issues. Besides that I could be penniless. Thats where things like Estate taxes are directly aimed at. The passing along of rural property. If I get charged 100k to stay on the land my grandparents owned and raised but I only make 12k a year because I am a sustenance farmer and only work enough to not pay taxes. The Government will come in and take my land to compensate themselves for the death of my last Grandparent. This is being repeated over and over across multi generational rural lands.
You bring up a huge point that nobody renting a 300 square foot micro-apartment in NYC will ever have to worry about.   I suppose if some people have too much money to be politically fashionable, having too much land would be another problem.   Those highway robbers don't show up with their guns right away.   They write things out, dress well, smile a lot, talk a lot of smack, but ultimately if you don't give them what they want, they will come with their guns and take it.   And this makes it okay?   Methinks the thugs who come with their guns right away are more honest.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:55 AM

If you want those small farms to fall into Big Ag continue the road were on and thats what will happen in the next couple generations it will be done and over and dont think were ever gonna be able to buy that land back. Property values will just be recovering by then and exceeding expected projections. Its a ******* agenda. You know that Yamato.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:13 PM

View Postacidhead, on 18 February 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

I don't think it will get that bad... It will be bad but the so-called American way will be championed as a global solution.  America will remain the dominate police of the world.

I agree that will be the solution, but I think its going to get worse then bad. They will have to bring most of the population to thier knees before we allow a world economic program to be implemented.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 18 February 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Most rural folks are preparing for this and we are preparing to defend what we have.

Sad but no choice to defend what they have that others will not have.

The world has not seen soon enough.

The solution is no big corporations on which all people depend, it's too interlinked with disadvantages. Just like natural biospheres in ecology you must have a localized advantage for life to flurish in a certain area.

This is what I mean, each community or region must be independent of the others as much as possible in case of natural disasters or other events.  Not totally dependent on one utility company across states. Not depending on a million pieces of different products produced someonewhere else. Not totally dependent on agricultural products of other regions being trucked in. Sure some areas will have to trade for some things they can't produce but it should be the goal to be as SELF SUSTAINING  as possible with the least amount of energy consumption.

Jobs in local regions, no long commuting and wasting of energy just for a decent wage. I work for a big 500 "green" company which I see is a kind of 1984 double speak LOL  Why would would you waste jet fuel for global meetings, have your workers commute 50 miles to be able to keep a good job during the constant  consolidations and restructuring. The technology is there for video conferencing and work at home in their own communities!  Benefits of consolidation, tax benefits, local people hired with less and benefits, early retirement of those not willing to commute or relocate.   WASTE,  think of all the energy and pollution caused by not having ALL types of businesses and agriculture locally as well as the safety in the event of local disasters. Aid could be sent more effectively when a large area of  the country isn't disabled or having a major system of a network broken!

Free market went amuck without seeing the big picture or even learning from Glass Steagal Act that was created with a reason after the first depression. Too many elite did not care since they took the wealth of the global economies.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 18 February 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I agree that will be the solution, but I think its going to get worse then bad. They will have to bring most of the population to thier knees before we allow a world economic program to be implemented.

never  going  to happen ...  these  morons can't  keep  to  their  own  spin control,  to  master  a  implementation  of  a  world wide economic  program is  beyond  their ablity ....   that  said ...

never  forget  that  these  people  DO  NOT UNDERSTAND THE  HARM  THEY DO ...
obama actualy  thinks  he  is  the  smartest  person  in  the  room .
the  people  around  him  actualy  think "  why  aren't  the  people  getting  behind  him ,  why  are  they  resisting....   its  for  their  own  good !  "

they  do  not  understand ...  they  are  not  bad  people...  they  are  stupid .
the  great  problem  is...  they  are  being  wrong  with  some one  else's  money  ,  and  being  stupid  with  our  lives .
they  have  no  concept  of  guns  or  health care except  what  is  learned  in a collage  or  a  movie ....
and   quite  frankly...   have  not  the  slightest  clue  how  deadly  the  forces  they  are  playing  with are .

they  have  1  day to  change  the  world ,  and  they  are  useing  those few  hours   to  move  chairs  and  argue  color  and  shape  of  tables ...  

they  not  simply  do  not  have  a tiny  idea  what  is  going  on  around them ,  they  are  offended  when  some  one  trys  to  get  their attention


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:59 PM

You should see hes latest talk i couldnt watch for more than 5 minutes and i actually couldnt... in first 2 he said so many lies that i wonder who is he fooling? He is a very delusional person he dreams publicly on topics of economic recovery ( hard data suggests otherwise ), more jobs ( again he is wrong ), and loads of BS more... do take a view of that speech... or let me show you the best horror ever made....



It is from Feb. of 12...but still a horror show!

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:07 PM

He is death to US economy and with that falling slowly draging EU with him. i can tell you that from midnight today our gas prices will go up for a record amount of 2.2 cents.. I pay 1,550 euro per liter ...i use 95 okta, and this is current price.. It will most likely go up for even more amazing amounts... There is inflation already showing up at certain items... This is it, the begining of end.. Precious materials for the win people!

I would like too ask a question do you guys think that when everything enrolls, will there be riots, robberies, violence, chaos or will this go down abit more calm, a unseen change of system, people are already getting geared up with all sorts of stuff so they might be ready but what about those who arent?

Edited by Tesla II, 18 February 2013 - 09:08 PM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

Just so everybody knows...if there's an economic collapse, there will probably be no police, the government can't afford to pay them as it is now.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

The only way to displace the current form of Government will be through revolution. Wether its peaceful or violent one cannot foresee. Both sides it seems are prepared for the second. But we are still trying to exact change peacefully.

The one thing is that voting will NOT change the political system during this episode of history.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

Further evidence of the downfall of the American economy:  http://news.yahoo.co...-155636911.html

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:53 PM

the OP sounds a lot like a spoilt child. The sky will fall, the sky will fall. pfft.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:20 AM

View Postninjadude, on 18 February 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

the OP sounds a lot like a spoilt child. The sky will fall, the sky will fall. pfft.

The sky did fall but we still have an atmosphere for a while at least .

Edited by White Unicorn, 19 February 2013 - 12:20 AM.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

View Postninjadude, on 18 February 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

the OP sounds a lot like a spoilt child. The sky will fall, the sky will fall. pfft.

You are the one sounding like a spoiled child, putting your hands over your ears an yelling NA NA NA NA, cause you just dont want to face reality.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:10 PM

For that matter lots of people are still living in dark ages... by that i mean the mainstream media which is still saying " We are fine,you are fine, dont worry, economy is growing " ... it will just blow your mind when it officaly hits the bottom line.

Edited by Tesla II, 19 February 2013 - 02:10 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:17 PM

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For that matter lots of people are still living in dark ages

Some areas of the country are starting to look like the Dark Ages of living.

In other news gas has gone up in price 32 days in a row. Obviously the elite rich are very concerned about this so for the sake of showing us poor folk mercy they only are expecting it to continue to rise to an average greater then 4$ a gallon by Summer.





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