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Water on the moon: Itís been there all along

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#1    Waspie_Dwarf

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:07 PM

Water on the moon: Itís been there all along


University of Michigan said:

ANN ARBORóTraces of water have been detected within the crystalline structure of mineral samples from the lunar highland upper crust obtained during the Apollo missions, according to a University of Michigan researcher and his colleagues.

The lunar highlands are thought to represent the original crust, crystallized from a magma ocean on a mostly molten early moon. The new findings indicate that the early moon was wet and that water there was not substantially lost during the moon's formation.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

"obtained during the apollo missions"  For those who deny "disclosure" just because they haven't introduced us to our "space brothers" here it is.  Disclosure with a capital D.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:16 PM

View PostOverSword, on 18 February 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

"obtained during the apollo missions"  For those who deny "disclosure" just because they haven't introduced us to our "space brothers" here it is.  Disclosure with a capital D.
Huh?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:25 PM

View PostArchimedes, on 18 February 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

Huh?
What, you wouldn't call this disclosure?  It seems like they just disclosed that there is water on the moon.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

You would think if the moon was formed because of a collision with Earth it would of lost all of its water.  Maybe that theory isn't right and there is water on more planets than we think.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:06 PM

hehehhehhe...    this  is  spin control  for  the  space-x  community ,  the  NASA  political  type's held  out  on  what  they  found  as  a  "national security"  issue ,  and  need  to  leak  out  what  the  private  sector  is  going  to  fall  over  when  they  get to  the  moon.

they  are  playing  the  world  for  a fool ...and  useing  these  guys  to   let  every  one  know  there  is  water  on  the  moon...
because  they  know  that  some  one  they  can  not  control  is  going  to  find  this  out with  out their spin control later .
better  let  us  know  now...  then  look  like  fools who  couldn't  find  a drop  of  water   at  the  sea  shore ...

this  is  pretty  predictable .

what  may  not  be  predictable  is  is  follow  the  path  back  up  the  channel to see  who  is  doing  this  ...   NASA  is  of  course ,  but  look  more  closely  at  what  also happens  at  this  university ...


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

View Postonereaderone, on 18 February 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

hehehhehhe... this  is  spin control  for  the  space-x  community ,  the  NASA  political  type's held  out  on  what  they  found  as  a  "national security"  issue ,  and  need  to  leak  out  what  the  private  sector  is  going  to  fall  over  when  they  get to  the  moon.

they  are  playing  the  world  for  a fool ...and  useing  these  guys  to   let  every  one  know  there  is  water  on  the  moon...
because  they  know  that  some  one  they  can  not  control  is  going  to  find  this  out with  out their spin control later .
better  let  us  know  now...  then  look  like  fools who  couldn't  find  a drop  of  water   at  the  sea  shore ...

this  is  pretty  predictable .

what  may  not  be  predictable  is  is  follow  the  path  back  up  the  channel to see  who  is  doing  this  ...   NASA  is  of  course ,  but  look  more  closely  at  what  also happens  at  this  university ...
Possibly, but there is always the remote possibility that the technology wasn't advanced enough to know this before. (although I find that a little tough to swallow)

Edited by OverSword, 18 February 2013 - 09:57 PM.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:23 PM

The discovery of primordial water on the Moon seems to rule out the Theia-collision-with-Earth scenario of the creation of the Moon. This water would very probably have been volatilized in the collision. Back to the previous status quo, maybe, which was quite unsatisfactory.
The Moon, in a nearly circular orbit of Earth, which aligns closely with the angle of  Earth's spin does not move like a captured body. The Earth and Moon have very different mineral compositions, which argues against their forming together, out of the same primordial material, in the same region of space. We may be about out of explanations.
Perhaps the Moon came to be where it is as part of a astrophysical mega-engineering project, after all. Anyone for a hyperspace bypass?


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:49 PM

I don't see how the discovery of water could refute the current formation theory.  Couldn't comets account for it?  The moon is a veritable impact map.  Those weren't all asteroidal hits.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:07 AM

The rocks were found to have have water integral to their mineral structure. They are believed to have formed before water collection from comets would have occurred, in the (supposed) post-Theia-impact era.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:59 AM

View Postbison, on 19 February 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:

The rocks were found to have have water integral to their mineral structure. They are believed to have formed before water collection from comets would have occurred, in the (supposed) post-Theia-impact era.

Ah okay.  Well, maybe back to the drawing board on moon formation.

Not to hijack the topic...and just as an aside....I've always wondered why the moon is perpetually moving away from us (about 1 cm per yr if memory serves).  And what a computer might come up with if you reversed that and kind of rolled it back in time.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:34 AM

Of course there is water on the moon...it's just in a dehydrated state and they haven't figured out what to add to it yet...

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:56 AM

View PostMedicTJ, on 19 February 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:

Ah okay.  Well, maybe back to the drawing board on moon formation.

Not to hijack the topic...and just as an aside....I've always wondered why the moon is perpetually moving away from us (about 1 cm per yr if memory serves).  And what a computer might come up with if you reversed that and kind of rolled it back in time.
The Earth and Moon have a close tidal relationship. Since angular momentum is conserved, it is transfered from Earth to Moon, as the Moon slows the Earth's rotation with its gravity. This makes the Moon swing in an ever wider orbit.  Working backwards, the Moon was clearly closer to the Earth at one time. We don't know exactly how close, as the rate of retreat is not believed to have been constant.  Perhaps as close as several tens of thousands of miles.

Edited by bison, 19 February 2013 - 01:58 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:08 PM

View PostOverSword, on 18 February 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

What, you wouldn't call this disclosure?  It seems like they just disclosed that there is water on the moon.

It was "disclosed" and proven in 2008, also:

"March 2010, it was reported that the Mini-RF on board the India's Chandrayaan-1 had discovered more than 40 permanently darkened craters near the Moon's north pole which are hypothesized to contain an estimated 600 million metric tonnes(1.3 trillion pounds) of water-ice" WIKI

so nothing new here.

Edited by keithisco, 20 February 2013 - 04:13 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 20 February 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

It was "disclosed" and proven in 2008, also:

"March 2010, it was reported that the Mini-RF on board the India's Chandrayaan-1 had discovered more than 40 permanently darkened craters near the Moon's north pole which are hypothesized to contain an estimated 600 million metric tonnes(1.3 trillion pounds) of water-ice" WIKI

so nothing new here.
The new discovery of hydrated minerals is different from that of actual ice deposits.  Ice could have been brought to the Moon at any time by comet impacts. In general terms, it has probably slowly accumulated for a very long time. The hydrated minerals, which contain water as a part of the chemical composition of their minerals, are believed to be from very ancient materials, exclusively. How this water would not have been removed by the forces present, if the Moon was created in the giant impact scenario, is very difficult to explain.






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