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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:50 PM

Didn't Thomas Jefferson have a UFO story?


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:09 PM

http://www.ufodigest...homas-jefferson

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sounds rather like a meteorite or aerofoil.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:07 PM

I would love to see an atmospheric phenomena I think that would be incredible

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:00 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 19 March 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

I would love to see an atmospheric phenomena I think that would be incredible

Go North!

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 05:26 PM

View Postscowl, on 19 March 2013 - 11:00 PM, said:

Go North!

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Is that the Northern Lights ?

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 05:41 PM

No, it's the refrigerator lights.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 05:59 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 19 March 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

I would love to see an atmospheric phenomena I think that would be incredible

Your wish has been granted :D



Edit: this are not aliens or alien UFOs but indeed it is ufo, some sort of weather phenomena.

Edited by Tesla II, 20 March 2013 - 06:00 PM.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:05 PM

Started as UFO phenomena and so one guy spent a small fortune to try to analyze it, do a google on blue box ufo project... it all came down too a unknown weather phenomena. He gave hes findings to many many scientist and they couldnt explain it.

The lights have no structure or any value of any metalic compound. They are like some sort of energy or charged particles of something unknown. Good stuff!

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:19 PM

View PostTesla II, on 20 March 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

Started as UFO phenomena and so one guy spent a small fortune to try to analyze it, do a google on blue box ufo project... it all came down too a unknown weather phenomena. He gave hes findings to many many scientist and they couldnt explain it.

The lights have no structure or any value of any metalic compound. They are like some sort of energy or charged particles of something unknown. Good stuff!
That is good stuff this planet is amazing

Edited by R4z3rsPar4d0x, 20 March 2013 - 09:19 PM.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:29 AM

Except that the Tulli Papyrus is a hoax. It never was an original "found" document, some Italian fellow claimed to have found it in a curio shop, took a copy of the text, and had that translated. There is just so much wrong with that claim I do not know where to begin, not to mention two different interpretations. Alberto Tulli was apparently at best an amateur Egyptologist, and its translator Prince de Rachelwitz remains the only authority upon whose word alone we must trust as an accurate report of its contents. Rather than an actual document, it is merely a rumour of a document. It more likely never even existed, it most certainly does not today.
The Byland Abbey case was a confessed hoax. Paul Thomas's Flying Saucers through the ages notes two undergraduates admitted to it in 1965.



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Authors Desmond and Adamski comment: "What probably happened is that a flying saucer did, in fact, pass over Byland Abbey at the close of the thirteenth century and that the astute Abbott Henry seized the opportunity to admonish Wilfred for his carryings on, and the community for their lack of piety."
Then, in Paul Thomas's Flying Saucers through the ages (1965), we read the following: "...in Yorkshire, a flat shining disk flew over the monastery of Byland. (Translater's note: There are grave doubts on the genuineness of this. Two Oxford undergraduates admitted to me in 1956 that they forged this document for a joke -- but there is nothing to prove that they really did so!) (emphasis--SR).
After wondering why the translator did not, in the nine years between 1956 and 1965, seek to verify the ancient manuscript by means of a visit, letter or phone call to "Ampleforth Abbey", I began my own investigation. The British information Service in New York verified the existence of Ampleforth Abbey, now a Benedictine College, in York, England. Then, I cabled a friend, Mr. John Haggarty, in London, and asked him to verify the existence and contents of the "Byland Abbey manuscript." Haggarty cabled promptly:

HAVE CHECKED WITH COLLEGE STOP AMPLEFORTH DOCUMENT A HOAX PERPETRATED BY TWO SIXTH FORM BOYS IN LETTER TO TIMES (LONDON) REGARDS

Such a fabricated "UFO report" has been used for the greater glory of the new mythology in Let's Face the Facts About Flying Saucers, (Green, 1967).
The authors have offered their own enlarged and embellished version of the "Byland Abbey sighting," complete with some nifty, monk-type



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Pretty much all the other accounts sound an awful lot like meteorites. Jacques Vallee is considered a heretic of the UFO movement.





60GCAT: You’re a bit of a controversial figure among UFO researchers, mainly because you entertain theories more exotic than the UFOs-are-from-outer-space paradigm.


Vallee: I’ve antagonized a number of the believers in UFOs. Number one, because I’m not ready to jump to any conclusion that it’s necessarily extraterrestrial--we’re not smart enough to know what they are at this point. And the research has not been done. I certainly remember enough of my training in astronomy to tell you that the universe is big enough to have other forms of life than us; at least we hope that it does. But so far we cannot prove it. So we cannot see how they would come here--they probably would be much advanced with respect to our physics, and they would have found a way to do it. But that does not explain UFOs.

I’ve also antagonized a lot of people because I think that the way abductions are being handled is wrong. It’s not only wrong scientifically, it’s wrong morally and ethically. I’ve been telling people, don’t let anyone hypnotize you if you’ve seen a strange light in the sky. I think a lot of those people prominent in the press and in the National Enquirer and in the talk shows and so on are creating abductees under hypnosis. They are hypnotizing everybody who’s ever had a strange experience and telling them they are abductees by suggestion. And they are doing that in good faith. They don’t realize what they are doing. But to my way of thinking, that’s unethical.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:08 AM

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 20 March 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

One of the first written accounts of a UFO sighting - a fleet of flying saucers, perhaps - is the following excerpt from an Egyptian papyrus - part of the annals of Thutmose III, who reigned around 1504-1450 B.C.:

In the year 22, of the 3rd month of winter, sixth hour of the day... the scribes of the House of Life found it was a circle of fire that was coming in the sky.... It had no head, the breath of its mouth had a foul odor. Its body one rod long and one rod wide. It had no voice. Their hearts became confused through it; then they laid themselves on their bellies....They went to the Pharaoh... to report it. His Majesty ordered .... [an examination of] all which is written in the papyrus rolls of the House of Life. His Majesty was meditating upon what happened. Now after some days had passed, these things became more numerous in the sky than ever. They shone more in the sky than the brightness of the sun, and extended to the limits of the four supports of the heavens.... Powerful was the position of the fire circles. The army of the Pharaoh looked on with him in their midst. It was after supper. Thereupon, these fire circles ascended higher in the sky towards the south... The Pharaoh caused incense to be brought to make peace on the hearth... And what happened was ordered by the Pharaoh to be written in the annals of the House of Life... so that it be remembered for ever.

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The Ancient Egyptian Mouth hieroglyph is Gardiner sign listed no. D21 for the shape of the mouth, being open, (therefore also implying a use for speech). The word 'mouth' was pronounced *rāˀ and there could be many more.

The mouth hieroglyph is used in the Ancient Egyptian language hieroglyphs for the alphabetic consonant letter r.[1]

The symbol is also used in the representation of unit fractions; a number preceded by a mouth indicates its inverse. Example fraction hieroglyphs: Posted Image (d22) Posted Image (d23)




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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:13 AM

So one or two of those ancient sightings have been discovered to be hoaxes?

Yeah, that must DEFINITELY mean that UFOs were not seen centuries ago.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:19 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 21 March 2013 - 06:08 AM, said:

Context is the key to understanding ancient languages and images.






http://en.wikipedia....th_(hieroglyph)

Why does that hieroglyph in the photo look different to the one in the diagram?


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:23 AM

View PostTesla II, on 19 February 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

I'll tell you that UFO phenomena exploded shortly after WW2, i wonder if it is connected to german saucer craft designs and technologies...  Yet there are pictures showing saucer shaped crafts before ww2, that is still abit of mystery..

Close.  The phenomena turned into hysteria after the 1938 War of the Worlds radio show.

As for the OP, yes UFOs have been reported in 19th century newspapers and in earlier documents.  What they actually were is left to scrutiny.  http://voices.yahoo.com/the-most-famous-ufo-sitings-19th-century-1807045.html


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:52 PM

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 21 March 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

Why does that hieroglyph in the photo look different to the one in the diagram?
It's called photoshop.

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