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Return of the Draft / HR 748 (Merged)


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#1    Simbi Laveau

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:13 PM

http://beta.congress.../house-bill/748


All Americans between the ages of 18-25 ,to perform military service ,or service to a governmental institution ,with stipulations during war time .

Sure sounds like the draft to me .

Edited by Tiggs, 24 February 2013 - 07:37 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:19 PM

Before anyone freaks out: the guy's been trying to introduce the bill for years as I understand it...

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:20 PM

Its also part of whats called the selective services process that in the future may qualify males for federal or government jobs.
It can help in getting security clearences for future employment.
So its not just for the draft or time of war.
Also why some polititions are pushing for a bill for young women too have the same.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

Strange. That would only reinforce our 2nd Amendment and it came from a NY-D. Since it says Federal,State,Local, Community based entity or organization I can find some positives in that Bill.

We need our young adults to learn a good work ethic and become more responsible. Instead of lost. But it would shake up the College education system pretty drastically. Unless they were paying jobs that still let you attend school its a nonstarter.

And make not the mistake if the draft were needed numbers would be called. So far theyve been doing fine by redeploying National Guard and Regular units and not instituting a regular draft which would be extremely unpopular.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:29 PM

Well that's a tantalizing gem of information. All 18-25 year olds have to put in some time for Uncle Sam, and that could be military or civilian application. I can already guess what the military would be like, probably much the same as it is now, but really smacking more of a draft.
But I do have to wonder what the civilian aspect of this would entail. Government, state, local, community based.. That's an awful lot of coverage.
I'm not getting my nickers up, this is just interesting.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

Indeed. But comparing it to a draft would be somewhat misleading as we already have that. It is more akin to compulsory service akin to Sweden and Israel.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 20 February 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Strange. That would only reinforce our 2nd Amendment and it came from a NY-D. Since it says Federal,State,Local, Community based entity or organization I can find some positives in that Bill.

We need our young adults to learn a good work ethic and become more responsible. Instead of lost. But it would shake up the College education system pretty drastically. Unless they were paying jobs that still let you attend school its a nonstarter.

And make not the mistake if the draft were needed numbers would be called. So far theyve been doing fine by redeploying National Guard and Regular units and not instituting a regular draft which would be extremely unpopular.
It says federal state and local,except in times of war. That's the draft .


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:34 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 20 February 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

Indeed. But comparing it to a draft would be somewhat misleading as we already have that. It is more akin to compulsory service akin to Sweden and Israel.

To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 25 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or as civilian service in a Federal, State, or local government program or with a community-based agency or community-based entity, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to provide for the registration of women under the Military Selective Service Act, and for other purposes. has not been received.


Not compulsory .All must serve. Or so it says .



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:34 PM

Bah, it's short enough, I'll CCP it for everyone....

Edit: *snip* Oops, Simbi beat me to it :)

Edited by rashore, 20 February 2013 - 10:35 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:34 PM

Large font but not a wall of text. Oh it shrunk itself. Musta jumped into a cold river.

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H.R.748 - To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 25 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or as civilian service in a Federal, State, or local government program or with a community-based agency or community-based entity, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to provide for the registration of women under the Military Selective Service Act, and for other purposes.



Edited by AsteroidX, 20 February 2013 - 10:35 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:36 PM

lol...x3 ccp in a row.

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compulsory .All must serve.

arent those the same thing ?

Edited by AsteroidX, 20 February 2013 - 10:36 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:40 PM

Reinstituting the draft is probably the last thing pols would want to do.  Such an uproar would follow that real justification would be required before sending forces into hot zones.  *gasp* congress might actually have to declare war to enable the use of forces.  As far as the local community service, I can see the usefulness of that if the young people are being trained for some kind of skill during their service.  The CCC back prior to WWII did the same thing and paid them while they worked and learned.  The nation could use just such a system right now, but these days they would have to have legal authority over the "conscripts" before they could instill any discipline in many of them.  Our young people have become quite casual about everything but their "rights".  Not all of them of course, but very many would find real discipline to be an arduous thing.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

Was looking for if Congress needed to declare war before a draft could be instituted and came across this old gem

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Elbridge Gerry, a delegate from Massachusetts, summed up the majority viewpoint saying he "never expected to hear in a republic a motion to empower the Executive alone to declare war." George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, and others voiced similar sentiments.[8]



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:45 PM

View Postrashore, on 20 February 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

But I do have to wonder what the civilian aspect of this would entail. Government, state, local, community based.. That's an awful lot of coverage.
I'm not getting my nickers up, this is just interesting.
  

cooks, cashiers, house keeping, candy stripers,( CAs and CNAs)  all those summer temp forestry jobs that no one wants because they are temp jobs with no benifits.   All the low income federal jobs that we the ( little)  people are now getting paid to do could be done for much reduced costs by draftees.

and if they can pump out enough solders they would not have to send people out for three of four combat deployments which might help with medical problems for some ( this is the thinking anyway  your less likely to get ptsd after 1 combat deployment than after 3 )

Edited by mysticwerewolf, 20 February 2013 - 10:49 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:43 PM

As soon as I believe our government is by and for the people, and protecting our rights above all else I will have less of a problem with this.  Until that time I salute this garbage legislation with my middle finger.  They allow corporations easy ways to avoid taxes, to ship production jobs over seas, take away rights, revoke posse comitatus....etc....etc.....and want us to feel obligated to serve them??????  F___Y__!





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