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Has anyone read Ketchums DNA Paper?


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#1    danbell06

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

Don't bother, I have read it and I don't believe for one second anything other than financial gain was on the agenda here,

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

Thanks for that, dan. I won't bother then.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:46 PM

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Thanks for that, dan. I won't bother then.




Read it and make your own opinion, don't just take someones word about it. :)


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:21 PM

I read it, but I'm not entirely convinced it was deliberate fraud.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:37 PM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 21 February 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Read it and make your own opinion, don't just take someones word about it. :)

Sorry Raven, I perhaps didn't make my flippancy clear enough! I Googled it to find out what it was about and almost immediately dozed off.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:02 PM

Well, she claimed in her latest interview that some well-known mainstream scientists are now interested in her findings and they are examining them now.
So, we shall see...


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

I should have actually waited before posting this thread as ive only read the first half.
Oh well.
The fact she has made it available for purchase and not freely available raises a lot of questions.
Yes, she may have spent her own money, (which I doubt she did, as Wally Hersom was involved) but she could have been responsible for the greatest discovery in science recent history if not ever, so the money and fame would have definately arrived.

Edited by danbell06, 21 February 2013 - 10:08 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:17 PM

funny, I had heard that Ketchum has not made the data available to the public.

Personally, I don't trust her, and I *do* beleive in squatch

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:47 PM

Ketchum has repeatedly claimed that her only reason for the study is to prove that these creatures are real.

Ketchum herself  has claimed to have seen several bigfoot over the last couple of years and as many as 9 at one time at a habituation site.

Some (most?) of her DNA samples for this study came from a habituation site. Researchers fed the group of habituated bigfoot meals on Tupperware. They then retrieved the Tupperware to collect some of the DNA Ketchum used in her study. So she is then able to offer how the collectors of the DNA actually witnessed the sources. And it was all overseen by a PhD in wildlife biology so the samples were collected correctly.

Her DNA sources were not just random hair, etc, samples sent to her from every anonymous Tom, Dick and Mary, who pulled a tuft of hair off a fence.

"Matilda" was one of those bigfoot in the habituation site. She is the infamous “sleeping sasquatch” in the brief video that refused to pan to her face.  And never showed any footage of the many other habituated bigfoot that are regular visitors at the same location. Watch the video. You decide

If you are so inclined to believe any of this, and this is only a tip of the iceberg, then you may hold your breath for confirmation.

Imo, it is the worst case of bunk, I’ve read. It beats the Biscardi Fiasco by a long shot.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 21 February 2013 - 11:48 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:01 AM

Myron Getman has done some digging and found out that Melba Ketchum is a liar.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:20 AM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 21 February 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

Well, she claimed in her latest interview that some well-known mainstream scientists are now interested in her findings and they are examining them now.
So, we shall see...

I don't suppose she named names?


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM

View PostNoodly Savior, on 22 February 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Myron Getman has done some digging and found out that Melba Ketchum is a liar.

Nice find on this article.  Its pretty stinky how decietful this BF research crowd can get.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:00 AM

View Postevancj, on 22 February 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

I don't suppose she named names?

Nope, and I must say I was quite surpised and disappointed, evancj!  :no:  

Actually, she did say that the head of the Oxford DNA Project had shown his support or an interest and told her he wanted to talk to her. So, Bryan Sykes? She never mentioned him by name, though.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 22 February 2013 - 01:02 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:44 AM

So she charges 30$ for a copy of her report? Seems a tad fishy to me. OK, when I say tad, I mean :  I don't believe a word of what she is saying and see this as only another way of haggling money.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:51 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 22 February 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

So she charges 30$ for a copy of her report? Seems a tad fishy to me. OK, when I say tad, I mean :  I don't believe a word of what she is saying and see this as only another way of haggling money.

It's fair in so far as most journals charge similar fees for articles.  Of course it's hard to call this DeNovo thing a journal.  At least she seems to be giving it out free to journalists and the like.





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