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#1    green_dude777

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:14 PM

http://www.foxnews.c...intcmp=obinsite

I'm kind of frustrated that this isn't bigger news.  I feel Mexico is missing a big rally point in the help to deter the cartels.

This is something that hasn't really been brought up in the U.S. gun debate, but having armed citizens would help prevent chaos if the civil services provided by a local government were to fail or become non existent.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:30 PM

How could this remotly relate to the US Gun Debate?

Also good on them.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:48 PM

Oh, for the love of... Green, you are frustrated this isn't bigger news... Yet you turned the real headline of

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Armed vigilantes in southern Mexico release 42 of their detained 'suspects


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Vigilantes in Mexico doing something

And you wonder why this isn't bigger news... Even FOX made a bigger deal out of it in their headline than you did posting it here.

That said. I hadn't heard of this before you posted this thread. Do you have more about this general situation that you can post up?


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:52 PM

View Postrashore, on 21 February 2013 - 11:48 PM, said:

Oh, for the love of... Green, you are frustrated this isn't bigger news... Yet you turned the real headline of


Into a thread title of


And you wonder why this isn't bigger news... Even FOX made a bigger deal out of it in their headline than you did posting it here.

That said. I hadn't heard of this before you posted this thread. Do you have more about this general situation that you can post up?

My apologies, I'm not much of a sensationalist.  I was frustrated it wasn't being reported in more detail among the major news networks here in the U.S... and no, this is all I have seen.

Thanato:  I wasn't tying it into the U.S. gun debate, it simply brought to mind another reason people should be armed.  I thought the sentence communicated that point, I apologize if it wasn't clear enough.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:53 AM

View Postgreen_dude777, on 21 February 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

http://www.foxnews.c...intcmp=obinsite

I'm kind of frustrated that this isn't bigger news.  I feel Mexico is missing a big rally point in the help to deter the cartels.

This is something that hasn't really been brought up in the U.S. gun debate, but having armed citizens would help prevent chaos if the civil services provided by a local government were to fail or become non existent.

When federal government has to disarm the entire police force of a state and replace it with federal police and army troops to maintain law and order because state governments were in bed with the cartels for half a century or more happens in the US, then you can equate it to the situation in Mexico. Until then, refrain from making comparisons which aren't based in fact.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:57 AM

View Postgreen_dude777, on 21 February 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

My apologies, I'm not much of a sensationalist.  I was frustrated it wasn't being reported in more detail among the major news networks here in the U.S... and no, this is all I have seen.

Thanato:  I wasn't tying it into the U.S. gun debate, it simply brought to mind another reason people should be armed.  I thought the sentence communicated that point, I apologize if it wasn't clear enough.

But the thing is, in Mexico, the people are arming themselves because the police can no longer be trusted and federal authorities are far too stretched to help them. You don't have this instability and chaos every day in the US. You have a reasonably incorruptable police force, reasonably incorruptable state governments and a reasonably incorruptable federal government coupled with a stable state and reasonably even spread of wealth.

They don't have this in Mexico.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:17 PM

View Postgreen_dude777, on 21 February 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:


I'm kind of frustrated that this isn't bigger news.  I feel Mexico is missing a big rally point in the help to deter the cartels.

This is something that hasn't really been brought up in the U.S. gun debate, but having armed citizens would help prevent chaos if the civil services provided by a local government were to fail or become non existent.


Vigilantes are utterly wrong if they dont act in law restrictions, which they often not knowing law, do. And in the end good guys become bad guys. Having armed citizens would raise chaos.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

View PostMichaelW, on 22 February 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

But the thing is, in Mexico, the people are arming themselves because the police can no longer be trusted and federal authorities are far too stretched to help them. You don't have this instability and chaos every day in the US. You have a reasonably incorruptable police force, reasonably incorruptable state governments and a reasonably incorruptable federal government coupled with a stable state and reasonably even spread of wealth.

They don't have this in Mexico.


????

Our system is incorruptible?  Egads, do you read the news?


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:51 AM

View PostMichaelW, on 22 February 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:



But the thing is, in Mexico, the people are arming themselves because the police can no longer be trusted and federal authorities are far too stretched to help them. You don't have this instability and chaos every day in the US. You have a reasonably incorruptable police force, reasonably incorruptable state governments and a reasonably incorruptable federal government coupled with a stable state and reasonably even spread of wealth.

They don't have this in Mexico.

Though many American police officers and others in the police force support the notion that civilians should be armed. Because they can't teleport, time it takes them to get there could mean the difference between an innocent being injured or even killed to surviving (being armed and apprehending/subduing/incapacitating the subject).

Corruption is so widespread in Mexico there is speculation the government is just like another cartel. Though it is slowly improving. I wouldn't be surprised if the cartels were bribing US politicians to ensure drug illegalisation remains.

Though apparently corruption in the western world is impossible to you.


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:59 PM

So, now the Mexican government is telling the vigilantes to "stand down" and that they are going to strictly enforce the gun laws.

http://news.yahoo.co...-002249123.html

Weird, you think they would have said that to the cartels, not the patriots fighting against them.


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 08:04 PM

Dam this article is so short and I haven't heard anything else about it.

Hopefully these "vigilantes" are good people fighting the cartels and not just some other gang.

Mexico basically needs a revolutionary overhaul of its government :gun:


Edit: the yahoo article you posted goes in to it more. They seem to be good people fighting the cartle because the government is just a corrupt piece of ****. Good for them. Mexico needs some serious changes

And yes I think this is another good example of why the 2nd amendment is important. Unless people are prideful enough to believe that we could never possibly end up like Mexico at some point in the future :P

Edited by spartan max2, 14 January 2014 - 08:08 PM.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 08:09 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 14 January 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

Dam this article is so short and I haven't heard anything else about it.

Hopefully these "vigilantes" are good people fighting the cartels and not just some other gang.

Mexico basically needs a revolutionary overhaul of its government :gun:


Edit: the yahoo article you posted goes in to it more. They seem to be good people fighting the cartle because the government is just a corrupt piece of ****. Good for them. Mexico needs some serious changes

Just to note, that first posting in this thread is something I found last year.  I find it odd that almost a year has gone by, the vigilantes are securing more villages, yet our media in the U.S. says little to nothing.  Hell, today CNN had Bieber's house being searched as a breaking news headline.


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 08:12 PM

View Postgreen_dude777, on 14 January 2014 - 08:09 PM, said:

Just to note, that first posting in this thread is something I found last year.  I find it odd that almost a year has gone by, the vigilantes are securing more villages, yet our media in the U.S. says little to nothing.  Hell, today CNN had Bieber's house being searched as a breaking news headline.

interesting.

This really should be a bigger deal seeing how Mexico is our neighbor and our border isn't exactly the safest.

But I guess talking about  it doesn't serve anyone's political agenda at the moment...

Apprentley Biebers house is so much more relevant to our life :)

Edited by spartan max2, 14 January 2014 - 08:13 PM.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 08:27 PM

View PostMichaelW, on 22 February 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

reasonably incorruptable state governments and a reasonably incorruptable federal government coupled
lmao. best joke of the day

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 08:31 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 04 March 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

Vigilantes are utterly wrong if they dont act in law restrictions, which they often not knowing law, do. And in the end good guys become bad guys. Having armed citizens would raise chaos.

law failed. period,
having armed citizens sure would not, and does not raise chaos. every state that allows carry shows how wrong you are.

what exactly are you baising your opinion on? lying propaganda? sure looks that way.

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