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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

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Flawed F-35 Fighter Too Big to Kill as Lockheed Hooks 45 States

By Kathleen Miller, Tony Capaccio & Danielle Ivory - Feb 22, 2013 3:00 AM GMT+0200


F-35: A Short History of the Costliest Fighter Ever
The Pentagon envisioned the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter as an affordable, state-of-the-art stealth jet serving three military branches and U.S. allies.

Instead, the Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) aircraft has been plagued by a costly redesign, bulkhead cracks, too much weight, and delays to essential software that have helped put it seven years behind schedule and 70 percent over its initial cost estimate. At almost $400 billion, it’s the most expensive weapons system in U.S. history.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:46 PM

Wish it would get killed. The price doesn't stop climbing, doesn't match all our needs, and yet my government seems hell bent on buying them no matter what.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

View PostCorp, on 22 February 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Wish it would get killed. The price doesn't stop climbing, doesn't match all our needs, and yet my government seems hell bent on buying them no matter what.

Just buy those fancy new ones Iran has.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

View PostCorp, on 22 February 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Wish it would get killed. The price doesn't stop climbing, doesn't match all our needs, and yet my government seems hell bent on buying them no matter what.

The funny thing is, the F35, from what I understand, originated as an effort to provide a more cost-effective alternative to the F-22.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:50 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 22 February 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

Just buy those fancy new ones Iran has.

Hahah, I'm betting that the batteries in the remote controller don't fare too well in the arctic.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

it is about money, and political pull, than the plane itself.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

History has shown that a one-size-fits-all platform never really works and certainly doesn't save money.  There's a reason why you have different air frames performing different missions.

That said, name a weapons system that has been deployed in the past 50 years that hasn't had cost overruns, production delays, and similar articles written about them.  Even our most venerable "backbone" systems in use today were laughable government follies at one time or another.  It seems to be the norm rather than the exception in military procurement.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:35 PM

View PostStellar, on 22 February 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

The funny thing is, the F35, from what I understand, originated as an effort to provide a more cost-effective alternative to the F-22.
Figures. I was gonna ask, what's wrong with the F-22? I'm not sure there's even anything out there that can touch it. (I'm not up on air weapon systems though.)

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:55 PM

View PostGummug, on 22 February 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

Figures. I was gonna ask, what's wrong with the F-22? I'm not sure there's even anything out there that can touch it. (I'm not up on air weapon systems though.)

F-22 costs $150 million per aircraft. The F-35 was originally supposed to cost much less, I think around 50 or 60 million... but has gone up to 107 million now for the classic take off varient.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

If it takes 20 years from board to combat flight its a failed money sucking project. Look at the innovation we accomplished during WW2 as an example of what we can do and how fast we can advance these things if we put our "true" effort into it. Its just about the $$


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:32 PM

Too big to kill? Isn't that because the F-35 is meant to carry out strike missions against ground targets also and therefore needs to be a bit bigger and stronger than the F-22 in order to carry bigger munitions?

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:37 PM

Im not sure how much were allowed to talk about the F-35's capabilities outside of America. Sorry.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:54 PM

It's going to be an export fighter, meaning we are selling it to countries overseas.  Italy, Canada, Japan, Australia, and 4 other countries are buying it.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:01 AM

View PostSweetpumper, on 22 February 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

Just buy those fancy new ones Iran has.
They'd probably sell them for chicken and pistachios :w00t:

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:04 AM

View PostGummug, on 22 February 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

Figures. I was gonna ask, what's wrong with the F-22? I'm not sure there's even anything out there that can touch it. (I'm not up on air weapon systems though.)
One thing I recently learned about the F-22 is that it has to be re-coated with special coatings for every so many flight hours or it does not remain stealthy.  Not sure this is a big issue but it seems that anything that affects combat ops would have to be figured into the mix for costs to own.

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