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#1    Jerek

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 04:53 PM

I had a thought everyone who experiences a ghost and or the paranormal always says its from beyond the grave.  WHY?  Who's to say its not another unknown life form, or some kind of technology not known to the general public?  I was curious on what others think about this.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:12 PM

Well that's kind of the crux of the problem, isn't it?

If something can't be proven to exist, then how do you even know that's what you're encountering?

Someone can say something is a ghost.  Well I can just as credibly say it's an alien, an astral projection of bigfoot, Nessie wanting me to believe it's a ghost through telekinesis, a demon, an elf, slenderman, etc. etc.

Edited by Rafterman, 24 February 2013 - 05:15 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:03 PM

I think people try to explain the ghost phenomena with a lot of other things than just dead people. Other paranormal explanations. Lots of mundane explanations. Speculations in tec.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:49 PM

I wanna know what a paranoral is....

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:53 PM

Ha Ha! Didn't even notice that! Sounds like a bad movie title...


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:59 AM

I don't think its some kind of technology creating ghosts . due to the fact of how long people have experienced them

The paranormal won't be explained till people are ready to except it.   Just by the sheer volume of evidence out there.
Even if you think 99% is faked or explain able. That leaves 1% that s real


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:52 PM

Most ghosts that people see are of people who are known to have died.  People see the ghosts of dead loved ones, dead friends, dead work colleagues, or fmaous dead people like the headless ghost of Anne Boleyn.  It is for that reason why the obvious explanation for ghosts is that they some of them are the actual spirits of dead people (actualy intteligences) and some of them are what are known as the stone tape theory.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:23 PM

Welcome to UM Jerek. It's my belief that the soul enters into another dimension after death and that that dimension {among others} exist on the same plain as our own, and occasionally overlap to reveal what we call unexplained, or paranormal events. No I cannot prove the existence of other dimensions { or even the human soul for that matter}, it's just what makes the most sense to me.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:05 AM

I've seen from time to time that people interpret the paranormal differently as to what it means and how it happens and such. There's not a whole lot we can prove about ghosts since ghosts themselves aren't 100% proven.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 05:43 PM

...so much evidence that even if 1%...  Honestly there is zero credible evidence.  Give me some ghost footage like the meteor footage in Russia, clear, time stamped, and from a couple if different devices, and I will consider calling it evidence.

Please, and I mean sincerely, show me even a sniggit of that 1% of good credible evidence.  People will say....but humans have seen ghosts from the beginning of time!  Well humans have had imaginations (wild ones, we made nukes and went to the moon) since the beginning of human time.

I have only seen 2 cases that genuinely intrigued me in the "ghost realm" one was pointed out here by a fellow skeptic, it's about that flat in london with  the lady and her 3 kids, some real scientists were invovled and there was a tad bit of credible research.  The other was something experienced by a friend IRL but that one while pretty interesting still pointed to the mundane.

So I'm all "ears" show me some o' that 1%.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:54 PM

View PostRoyal, on 26 February 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Welcome to UM Jerek. It's my belief that the soul enters into another dimension after death and that that dimension {among others} exist on the same plain as our own, and occasionally overlap to reveal what we call unexplained, or paranormal events. No I cannot prove the existence of other dimensions { or even the human soul for that matter}, it's just what makes the most sense to me.

Really,... THAT is what makes the most sense to you?!!

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:30 PM

I've seen spirits that were merely out of their bodies while dreaming.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

It makes more sense than completely discounting all incidents of the paranormal.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:49 PM

I’ve had plenty of dreams that seemed real but I would know I was dreaming because I would be in my bedroom but it would be different something would be out of place or something in the room would be slightly different than in the real world. So people who say they leave their bodies, how do they know it’s a dream? Has anyone ever met with someone else to prove it was real? Because honestly it just seems too good to be true…


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:52 PM

View PostRoyal, on 28 February 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

It makes more sense than completely discounting all incidents of the paranormal.

You are not alone. Lots of people assume that if they cant perceive a naturalistic cause for an event, it must be paranormal. But just because we cant explain every and all stories we hear and read about does in no way leave the door open for ghosts, monsters, ET visitation and other paranormal phenomenon to be real.  We hear stories about UFOs, ghosts and monsters all the time,... What you make of them depends very much, I think, on your prior convictions.

Here are a couple of links I hope you will find interesting.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Paranormal

http://en.wikipedia....itical_thinking

http://www.skepdic.com/

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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