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[Royal]

I do think in critical terms until something is beyond scientific or at least reasonable explanation. The truth is that science cannot explain everything that happens in the human experience no matter how hard the skeptics{ who sometimes argue just to be arbitrary}, try to convince otherwise. Also on the wikepedia link it stated, that the paranormal is that area that lies outside of normal sciences ability to comprehend.

[Hazzard]

Royal, on 01 March 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

I do think in critical terms until something is beyond scientific or at least reasonable explanation. The truth is that science cannot explain everything that happens in the human experience no matter how hard the skeptics{ who sometimes argue just to be arbitrary}, try to convince otherwise. Also on the wikepedia link it stated, that the paranormal is that area that lies outside of normal sciences ability to comprehend.

Scientists have a "problem" with the paranormal for the simple reason that it cannot be proven legitimate, because instances of their existence cannot be recreated in a laboratory. Paranormal experiences are not a constant.  It is not like adding one part oxygen to two parts hydrogen to create water. Most of the time all we have are blurry pictures/videos or a very cool story that offers nothing more than believe it or not. That famous leap of faith is required. There never seem to be anything substantial for scientists to work with.

Every time proponents of the paranormal has been invited to deliver proof of x paranormal phenomenon they have failed miserably. And believe you me, people have tried. The James Randi foundation has for about ten years offered 1000 000 USD to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power,... and Im pretty sure that there are a lot more involved for anyone that can come up with proof of life after death, Angels, Ghosts,  Bigfoot, Nessie or ET visitation.

Bottom line - People are free to believe in whatever they want, I have no problem with that,... as long as they dont claim it a fact.

Me, personally, when it comes to the mysteries of the universe, I prefer to know, not just believe.

Edited by Hazzard, 01 March 2013 - 06:45 PM.

[Royal]

I have not claimed anything as fact, only that everything cannot be explained. The parallel/ alternate universe ideology is simply one possible avenue to discuss, because although it has not been proven empirically it is being investigated.

[Hazzard]

Royal, on 01 March 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

I have not claimed anything as fact, only that everything cannot be explained. The parallel/ alternate universe ideology is simply one possible avenue to discuss, because although it has not been proven empirically it is being investigated.

No argument from me there.

Im simply saying that unexplained is extremely far from a paranormal phenomenon to be real.

Edited by Hazzard, 01 March 2013 - 08:43 PM.

[acute]

Royal, on 26 February 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

It's my belief that the soul enters into another dimension after death and that that dimension {among others} exist on the same plain as our own, and occasionally overlap to reveal what we call unexplained, or paranormal events. No I cannot prove the existence of other dimensions { or even the human soul for that matter}, it's just what makes the most sense to me.

Hazzard, on 28 February 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Really,... THAT is what makes the most sense to you?!!

It makes sense to me too!
Most mediums talk of a spiritual progression thru levels of higher and finer vibration. I believe these are other dimensions intersecting with the three we currently use, and can be found in the elusive 'dark matter'.

I can't prove it of course, but we each have our theories.
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Edited by acute alan, 03 March 2013 - 06:37 PM.

[Godofcats]

That's good thinking Jerek. I never thought of it like that. I always suspected UFOS where earthly technology and not aliens but never thought of ghost like that. Maybe holograms or invisibility cloaking?

[DBunker]

acute alan, on 03 March 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

It makes sense to me too!
Most mediums talk of a spiritual progression thru levels of higher and finer vibration. I believe these are other dimensions intersecting with the three we currently use, and can be found in the elusive 'dark matter'.

I can't prove it of course, but we each have our theories.
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Thats not even a theory.... its pure fantasy.

[Royal]

Scientific thoery and philisophical theory are two different things, except in the area of the parnormal{ and religion too I imagine}, in that events are occuring{hauntings,sightings etc.} have occured throughout history, and will continue to occur .To say that it's all bunk and fantasy is a disservice to theoretical thinking on all levels.

[Hilander]

I have witnessed a ghost and it was of my cat.  Don't think she ran off somewhere laid down and was dreaming and decided never to come back at 15 years old.  I've also had other paranormal events.  That's all the proof I need of the paranormal.  I have to admit until I had my own experiences it was hard to believe in.  So it doesn't bother me if others don't believe.

What I would like to know is why I could only see my cat out of the corner of my eye.  If I looked directly at her she would disappear completely.  Then I would look again out of the corner of my eye and she was plain as day but kind of transparent looking.  I wonder if it was because she was a animal.

[Royal]

That is interesting that your peripheral vision is able to see that realm, and from what I just read on wikepedia, receptor cells in the retina have trouble distinquishing color in that position, which could account for the transparency. Just trying to make sense of it all.

[acute]

acute alan, on 03 March 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

It makes sense to me too!
Most mediums talk of a spiritual progression thru levels of higher and finer vibration. I believe these are other dimensions intersecting with the three we currently use, and can be found in the elusive 'dark matter'.
I can't prove it of course, but we each have our theories.
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DBunker, on 04 March 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Thats not even a theory.... its pure fantasy.

Do you have any constructive criticism, a contradictory theory, or are you just engaging in some recreational trolling?

[acute]

Hilander, on 05 March 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

.....What I would like to know is why I could only see my cat out of the corner of my eye.  If I looked directly at her she would disappear completely.....

I have heard this mentioned before, but not on these forums. Some people say it is some kind of physiological or mental block.
Does anyone know more about this filtering effect?

[DBunker]

acute alan, on 05 March 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Do you have any constructive criticism, a contradictory theory, or are you just engaging in some recreational trolling?

Oh I have criticism all right.  All this is way to silly for me. Im amazed that grown men and women (2013) believe in this nonsense.

Go back and read Hazzards post #17... thats how I see it aswell.

Edited by DBunker, 08 March 2013 - 04:47 AM.

[Royal]

Sometimes I think that we are living in a new rendition of the Dark Ages, in that back in the day anything that the church didn't approve of or didn't understand was dismissed as nonsense or fantasy or worse. Now in the New Dark Ages it seems to be science{ or the invocation of such} that has taken up torch to lead us away from what we all know is true. Don't get me wrong, I'm a lot more skeptical of many things than I let on, it's just not everything can be dismissed away.

[Italian Paranormal]

I believe that paranormal would be considered anything that can not be proven either by natural means, or proven by fact or science. I was a skeptic about it all too at one time. Although, I have had experiences that would say otherwise. Some call it the mind playing tricks. Some call it a way your imagination takes in information and plays it out to understand what you have encountered to better understand it. All I think on all this, is that some things can not be completely explained in science, for no one knows the exact of everything. There are still things out there science needs to prove. There are also your skeptics that believe in what they see, or even what exidence there is that supports it, that hasn't been tainted or tampered with. Not everything should be easily dismissed, especially if we don't know enough about it. for some, it's not relevant. not everyone will be on the same opinion, the same page sort of speak. Regardless, we learn new ideals in science every day, and the things not done by natural ways, or that can be debunked, or that has a way to completely disprove it, there is that grey line where some things just can't be explained. Not saying its ghosts, or hauntings persay, but can be anything that isn't able to be debunked or explained in fact. Religion itself, can be thought of in this fashion....
I am not fully explaining reasons for paranormal, and I am not saying i take paranormal roads first. I always look to see where it all fits. And what doesn't.