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why, you can't change history.


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#1    danielost

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

(This might be better in another thread.)


The main reason you can't change history is tht history is self correcting.

What I mean is you back in time and kill Hitler before WW2.  The next time through you wouldn't know you had to back and kill him.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:20 PM

Then he survives thereby causing your desire to kill him.

The biggest problem is time machines don't exist.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

Hollywood does it all the time ... 'least that is what I hear ...

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

True , and in the star trek movies Kirks glasses were never made.  Yet, they exist.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

Heinlein wrote a short story, I think the title was, "By his bootstraps" about a man who goes into the future and there is given a guide-book on how to get on in this future, along with a dictionary of their language.

Later he writes out a copy of that guide-book and ends up, as an old man, giving the copy of the guide-book that he had made to himself as a young man.  So it turns out that the guide-book was never actually authored -- only copied from itself in a sort-of endless loop.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:33 PM

Well, you can't change history because, by definition, history is something that has already happened.

But if you trying to say you can't AVOID making the same mistakes that were made in the past, yes, you can avoid this.

But, people/governments seem to do the same things over and over.  It isn't necessary, but it can be avoided.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

View Postmaxhobbs, on 25 February 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Well, you can't change history because, by definition, history is something that has already happened.

But if you trying to say you can't AVOID making the same mistakes that were made in the past, yes, you can avoid this.

But, people/governments seem to do the same things over and over.  It isn't necessary, but it can be avoided.

No, I was being litteral(spch).

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:35 PM

All we can do as a human race is learn from the past mistakes we made in history.  That's why they teach history in elementary and high school in America.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:29 AM

In my blog I wrote a little story about scientists using a time machine to change the past to create a better present. "The Schmaltzenberger Equation Project". Not much of a story as usual, and I'm not sure how the Project turned out.

Maybe changing the past in this way would create a new timeline so there wouldn't be any paradoxes.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:57 AM

View PostMainerMikeBrown, on 03 March 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

All we can do as a human race is learn from the past mistakes we made in history.  That's why they teach history in elementary and high school in America.
I suspect that the "lessons" we learn from history in those grades is mostly the "lessons" the pedagogues think we should learn, and not what history really tells us.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:00 AM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 04 March 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Maybe changing the past in this way would create a new timeline so there wouldn't be any paradoxes.
That's a common way of dealing with them.  Another way is to say that after you are done messing with the past events take over and rearrange things back to the way they were supposed to be.

If traveling into the past is possible, why aren't we pestered by our posterity coming back to gawk at us as tourists?


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:43 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 04 March 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

That's a common way of dealing with them.  Another way is to say that after you are done messing with the past events take over and rearrange things back to the way they were supposed to be.

If traveling into the past is possible, why aren't we pestered by our posterity coming back to gawk at us as tourists?

Maybe they have.  (God, aliens, bigfoot)

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There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:05 PM

My friend, a wise man once...people assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

And lets just leave it at that =T


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:08 PM

As has already been said history is changed all the time.Find a history book from the early 1900's then one with the same basic tale of characters in it from a high school today.I guarantee you may be astonished by the changes to facts that has been made.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:09 PM

Quite true.





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