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[OverSword]

If you question my knowlege about such things I worked at a mil-spec production company and helped in the design of the very first production night vision goggles and also virtual reality hardware (the gloves to be specific) this was top secret stuff at the time and the company I worked for had strict oversight and close dealings with high ranking military officers and civilian advisors.

[Capt Amerika]

So whats the problem?
How is this any different than having a helicopter flying higher above doing the same surveillance?
At least this way save the taxpayer money.

For the record, when two guys feel the need to meet waaaaay out in the country to make a simple transaction, you can believe there is illegal activity involved.
What if the one guy was a felon and the other guy had stolen weapons?
Is it still a legal transaction?  Nope.
Sorry, but while i like my freedoms, i also like the police to enforce the laws and watching criminals is not a violation of my privacy or any of my rights.
I am not as quick as some to hand over my right to be protected by the govt but i will accept that they have a job to do as long as they do it in a manner that doesnt violate my rights.

[OverSword]

Capt Amerika, on 26 February 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

For the record, when two guys feel the need to meet waaaaay out in the country to make a simple transaction, you can believe there is illegal activity involved.
What if the one guy was a felon and the other guy had stolen weapons?
Is it still a legal transaction?  Nope.
Sorry, but while i like my freedoms, i also like the police to enforce the laws and watching criminals is not a violation of my privacy or any of my rights.
I am not as quick as some to hand over my right to be protected by the govt but i will accept that they have a job to do as long as they do it in a manner that doesnt violate my rights.

That is quite a presumption.  And while you claim "you're not too quick to hand over your rights to privacy" you'll apparently do it just the same.  The very definition of Ben Franklins motto, (beating dead horse here) those who exchange freedoms for security deserve niether.  That's you captain commie.  You should change your name to more accurately describe your view point although puttin a 'k' in America, is a pretty good indicator.

[AsteroidX]

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Well then, give us uneducated indoctrinated, freedom hating masses an enlightened perspective on what drones are used for.

No need. Your already admittedly Freedom hating.

[lightly]

these things are going to be all over the place soon.   Operated by Federal, State, and Local  officials...  and,  private  interests.
  Now i'm curious as to how much  , and often, they are   subsidized . ?  Government and Industry March on .. hand in hand in pocket . (lol)

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Edited by lightly, 26 February 2013 - 08:43 PM.

[hatecraft]

DieChecker, on 26 February 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

I would... willl.... be OK with a drone following me. The only crimes I commit are eating badly and going 40 in a 35. It would be a horrendous waste of time and money to follow me, and I think that the FedGov would recognize that and deploy drones only where there is probable cause.

Be careful.  Before you know it, eating badly will be a federal offense.

[AsteroidX]

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Asteroid: you should have no problem with this, given your stance on privacy that you expressed when I wouldnt tell you what country I'm from.

Don't you consider "driving into the middle of nowhere" at least as "dishonest" as someone not giving you private information, and therefore a potential "threat", and so infringing on their privacy is ok by you?

Stellar I am glad you see what I was trying to point out. I believe we had that conversation int he hypocrisy thread. And sometimes one must drag another along a bit to show them just what hypocrisy is and specifically in this thread how it will be used to invade our privacy.

The relevent BOR:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

Edited by AsteroidX, 26 February 2013 - 08:49 PM.

[OverSword]

hatecraft, on 26 February 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Be careful.  Before you know it, eating badly will be a federal offense.

That is actually true.  More and more you will hear the term 'wellness'.  I am in the health insurance industry (since Clinton signed NAFTA and sent my mil-spec job in electronics to Canada and Mexico)  And sit in 2 meetings a week focusing on the implementaion of the affordable care act.  it will go something like this, your wellness worker will note that you are out of your optimum weight on the body mass index, they will then make you set goals to fix that.  If you do not reach those goals you're premiums will be raised up to 30% per year.  Thanks government

[AsteroidX]

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Be careful.  Before you know it, eating badly will be a federal offense.

It will be a taxable offense on your Obamacare premiums.

[AsteroidX]

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In order to counter the threats posed by global terrorist organizations, organized crime gangs, and cross-border infiltration, the nation's homeland security budget is forecast to reach US$63.7 billion by 2017. As the US seeks to enhance its aviation and border security, the demand for equipment relating to these categories will increase. Further opportunities are expected to arise as the US invests in communication systems, the modernization of its aviation, naval, and land defense systems, and the enhancement of its nuclear defense capabilities.

cite withheld for sensitivity issues. But thats the tip of the iceberg. That 63.7B could go alot further somewhere else. Like deficit reduction.

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The homeland security budget of the US prioritizes the mission areas of preventing terrorism, securing borders, enforcing and administering immigration laws, safeguarding cyberspace, ensuring resilience to disasters, and providing essential support to national and economic security. Securing the nation from terrorism remained as a main focus of the DHS in 2013, and during the forecast period a significant amount of the homeland security budget is expected to be allocated to the prevention of terrorism and enhancement of security. Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks the US has continued to increase security levels in all its airports. In order to prevent attacks from global terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda, an increased focus is expected to be placed on creating a multi-layered system to strengthen aviation security from the time a passenger purchases a ticket to arrival at his or her destination.

Edited by AsteroidX, 26 February 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[MichaelW]

Eonwe, on 26 February 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

Not even going to dignify this.

You just did.

So, now that you've bothered to reply, say something.

[Gummug]

OverSword, on 26 February 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

That is actually true.  More and more you will hear the term 'wellness'.  I am in the health insurance industry (since Clinton signed NAFTA and sent my mil-spec job in electronics to Canada and Mexico)  And sit in 2 meetings a week focusing on the implementaion of the affordable care act.  it will go something like this, your wellness worker will note that you are out of your optimum weight on the body mass index, they will then make you set goals to fix that.  If you do not reach those goals you're premiums will be raised up to 30% per year.  Thanks government

If they really care about our health, they should get rid of all the GMO's, imo. (And before I get a lot of flak: there's a difference between hybridized plants and animals and GMO's, which SOME here at UM are smart enough to know.)

[Gummug]

Eonwe, on 26 February 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

Not even going to dignify this.

Very smart, imo. Don't feed the trolls.

[MichaelW]

Gummug, on 27 February 2013 - 02:54 AM, said:

Very smart, imo. Don't feed the trolls.

So by definition, I shouldn't be feeding you, him, or anyone else that believes the OP?

[ninjadude]

AsteroidX, on 26 February 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

how it will be used to invade our privacy.

The relevent BOR:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

While I don't want any drones flying around at all in the US, where does the bolded part say ANYTHING about privacy? Where does it say that government cannot observe? Secure is not private. You can be secure, not searched, etc. But still observed. The 18th century had no concept of flying machines that could hover and look in your windows or machines that can surveil from space. So are you a strict constitutionalist which would mean they can observe or a realist that Congress has the power and duty to pass laws outlawing this?