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#136    Orcseeker

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:22 AM

View PostMichaelW, on 04 March 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:



Yes.


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Because they have better things to do and fighting the WHO in a lengthy litigation process would likely garner them bad publicity in the eyes of those who aren't "aware" of what Monsanto does. The WHO hasn't banned anything yet because there isn't anything that is dangerous to human consumption.


Apparently the WHO is quite important in your decision to consume or use a product. I didn't explicitly mean in the press and eye of the public or on the forefront of court cases etc; but more so in preventative ways or dealing with things quietly regarding bribes. I never stated the foods themselves are dangerous to human consumption. Though wouldn't Monsantos handling in the agent orange cases and the business practises that have resulted in probably many cases of depression and suicides in India resulting from the cotton seed issue at least bring to the attention of the WHO?

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Whatever the case is, it's not down to bloody corruption. And in any case, Monsanto can probably afford more writers and scriptors of the company's image than Hollywood employs.


I never said it was. I was supporting the idea that Wearer of Hats brought forward on corruption and how it could be addressed and considered in the argument.


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There is such a thing called "professionalism".

Yet corruption still exists within businesses; corporations or organisations.

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There's a difference between debates and conspiracy theories. One is fact based.

Well I guess I should call people retarded and such, perhaps that is more progressive. What I'm discussing and the manner I am doing so is far from a conspiracy theory. Learn how corruption works in the business world.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:35 AM

A Monsanto official told the New York Times that the corporation should not have to take responsibility for the safety of its food products. "Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food," said Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications. "Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job."

It would be nice to think the FDA can be trusted with these matters, but think again. Monsanto has succeeded in insuring that government regulatory agencies let Monsanto do as it wishes. Take a look:

Prior to being the Supreme Court Judge who put GW Bush in office,Clarence Thomas was Monsanto's lawyer.

The U.S. Secretary of Agriculture (Anne Veneman) was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Calgene Corporation.

The Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld) was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Searle pharmaceuticals. (helped get nutrasweet on the market!)

The U.S. Secretary of Health, Tommy Thompson, received $50,000 in donations from Monsanto during his winning campaign for Wisconsin's governor.

The two congressmen receiving the most donations from Monsanto during the last election were Larry Combest (Chairman of the House Agricultural Committee) and Attorney General John Ashcroft. (Source: Dairy Education Board)

In order for the FDA to determine if Monsanto's growth hormones were safe or not, Monsanto was required to submit a scientific report on that topic. Margaret Miller, one of Monsanto's researchers put the report together. Shortly before the report submission, Miller left Monsanto and was hired by the FDA. Her first job for the FDA was to determine whether or not to approve the report she wrote for Monsanto. In short, Monsanto approved its own report. Assisting Miller was another former Monsanto researcher, Susan Sechen. Deciding whether or not rBGH-derived milk should be labeled fell under the jurisdiction of another FDA official, Michael Taylor, who previously worked as a lawyer for Monsanto.

http://gmfoodwatch.t...2f-8cf8b67f6255

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:45 AM

President Obama knows that agribusiness cannot be trusted with the regulatory powers of government. On the campaign trail in 2007, he promised: We'll tell ConAgra that it's not the Department of Agribusiness. It's the Department of Agriculture. We're going to put the people's interests ahead of the special interests.
Posted ImageBut, starting with his choice for USDA Secretary, the pro-biotech former governor of Iowa, Tom Vilsack, President Obama has let Monsanto, Dupont and the other pesticide and genetic engineering companies know they'll have plenty of friends and supporters within his administration.
President Obama has taken his team of food and farming leaders directly from the biotech companies and their lobbying, research, and philanthropic arms:
Posted ImageMichael Taylor

former Monsanto Vice President, is now the FDA Deputy Commissioner for Foods.
Posted ImageRoger Beachy

former director of the Monsanto-funded Danforth Plant Science Center, is now the director of the USDA National Institute of Food and Agriculture.
Posted ImageIslam Siddiqui

Vice President of theMonsanto and Dupont-fundedpesticide-promoting lobbying group, CropLife, is now the Agriculture Negotiator for the US Trade Representative.
Posted ImageRajiv Shah

former agricultural-development director for the pro-biotech Gates Foundation (a frequent Monsanto partner), served as Obama's USDA Under Secretary for Research Education and Economics and Chief Scientist and is now head of USAID.
Posted ImageElena Kagan

who, as President Obama's Solicitor General, took Monsanto's side against organic farmers in the Roundup Ready alfalfa case, is now on the Supreme Court.
Ramona Romero

corporate counsel to DuPont, has been nominated by President Obama to serve as General Counsel for the USDA.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:28 PM

Excellent preacherman ..    quite revealing of the  " revolving door"  principal   in  practice.   Of course someone will now say that the  'selectees'  were chosen for their   "Experience"  ....     well,  ya,, sorta.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:19 PM

View PostJinxdom, on 03 March 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

Well this is just opinion and playing  semantics I see it as you gave me the information in a humorous format  They just did the research :P
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Lets continue that way. Here is paper Ames et al, PNAS 87(19) (1990) 7777-7781 (though it was criticized in Tomatis et al, The FASEB Journal  15(1) (2001) 195-203 and I agree with critique). Look at the Table 1. See how many "bad stuff" there are in cabbages? You can look up for allyl cyanide, chlorogenic and caffeic acid, and other stuff.

Now, imagine, I put this table on the label of hypothetical GM cabbages and add evil word Monsanto. That, probably, would split heavens from outrage. You would hear that this and this causes cancer, this and that are simply toxic, this and this not even researched, etc. Its Frankencabbage! We need more research! Long term impact! etc, etc, etc...  But if you put the same table of "ingredients" on Organic label, that wouldn't produce any noise.

See my point?


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I just think that for every GMO that gets made, extra questions need to be asked beforehand and watched for then simply turning it loose. [...]
But when salt resistant breeds are introduced, extra question needn't be asked? Cause you know, long term health and environmental impact might be negative.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:25 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 26 February 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:



What science are you suggesting. The science of how you can make a plant immune to roundup so you can spray it indiscriminately ?
Which in turn killed all our bees,and then cover it up ans plant false information about cell phones .lol lol lol

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:36 PM

View PostStellar, on 04 March 2013 - 01:55 AM, said:



Exaggerate much? Perhaps when you and others stop using hyperbole as an argument strategy, you'll get more of a following.
Because I've said it ALL here before ,numerous times. Bill Gates wants us all to eat Gmos,and yet hoards heirloom seeds for his own ends,and wants the world vaccinated .
WHO supports all of this,and children are dying in all the countries where his vaccines are being tested,and ifs all swept under a carpet.
And given how many likes I get ,I have plenty of people who agree with me,but I has no idea it was a popularity contest here .
I wasn't thinking I needed a,following .lol

Edited by Simbi Laveau, 04 March 2013 - 02:37 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:49 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 04 March 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

President Obama knows that agribusiness cannot be trusted with the regulatory powers of government. On the campaign trail in 2007, he promised: We'll tell ConAgra that it's not the Department of Agribusiness. It's the Department of Agriculture. We're going to put the people's interests ahead of the special interests.
Posted ImageBut, starting with his choice for USDA Secretary, the pro-biotech former governor of Iowa, Tom Vilsack, President Obama has let Monsanto, Dupont and the other pesticide and genetic engineering companies know they'll have plenty of friends and supporters within his administration.
President Obama has taken his team of food and farming leaders directly from the biotech companies and their lobbying, research, and philanthropic arms:
    Posted ImageMichael Taylor

former Monsanto Vice President, is now the FDA Deputy Commissioner for Foods.
    Posted ImageRoger Beachy

former director of the Monsanto-funded Danforth Plant Science Center, is now the director of the USDA National Institute of Food and Agriculture.
    Posted ImageIslam Siddiqui

Vice President of theMonsanto and Dupont-fundedpesticide-promoting lobbying group, CropLife, is now the Agriculture Negotiator for the US Trade Representative.
    Posted ImageRajiv Shah

former agricultural-development director for the pro-biotech Gates Foundation (a frequent Monsanto partner), served as Obama's USDA Under Secretary for Research Education and Economics and Chief Scientist and is now head of USAID.
    Posted ImageElena Kagan

who, as President Obama's Solicitor General, took Monsanto's side against organic farmers in the Roundup Ready alfalfa case, is now on the Supreme Court.
    Ramona Romero

Th counsel to DuPont, has been nominated by President Obama to serve as General Counsel for the USDA.


Obomba is the one who signed codes alimentarius into law in 2009,which gave monSATANo full control of our seeds.
He has also allowed the FBI and FDA to systematically put raw dairy farms out of business,so we must drink only  the ultrapasturized steroid antibiotic laden stuff .
There are many more govt connections with monSATANo.
Hilary Clinton used to be a litigator for them ...where did she end up in government ?
Here is a very comprehensive list .
http://www.occupymon...government1.jpg

The who what and why's of the seed monopoly .
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. http://www.beginning...by-phil-howard/

Edited by Simbi Laveau, 04 March 2013 - 02:53 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:06 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 04 March 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:


Vaccines save lives and they also kill a small number of people. The cost benefit analysis is vastly weighed in favour of the Vaccines.

Maybe you'd like to forgo your polio vaccine and then go to an area where the WHO hasn't brought polio vaccines. Until you can acknowledge that vaccines have saved millions of lives, your not debating from a rational place.

The WHO has been one of the main reasons why modern knowledge of medical health, hygiene and vaccines have caused the greatest climb in human population ever seen. Not bad for an organization who is out to kill us all.

I get mighty sick of this bull****in

Br Cornelius
If you're sick of reading the truth ,please block me ,because I'm get sick of being reprimanded by someone who doesn't have my scope of experience and knowledge .  .
I was vaccinated with ONE vaccine ,in the 1960s .You know,before vaccines became a money making vehicle for big pharm .
I've since had a couple of flu vaccs in the 1990s ,and the Hep B vaccine for work .
If you have no problem with every child being vaccinated DOZENS of times a year ,for nonsense ,good for you .
I have issue with it being FORCED on the young ,infirmed and ignorant.
Keep you bull**** comments to YOURSELF .
Thanks

And the way you shills defend vaccines ,you would think your livelihoods depended upon it *coughs*

WHO CORRUPTION 101
http://rense.com/general88/megawho.htm
http://www.theepocht...tion-37268.html
http://www.financial.../2010/0111.html
http://www.theepocht...tion-37268.html
Look ,a lawsuit against WHO,for...wow ,trying to kill us all ....
http://www.currentco...ndex.php?id=850
http://www.livehealt...e-june-25-2012/

And this alleged birdflu coming to get us,is the same old song and dance. Aka LIES .

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:55 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 04 March 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

If you're sick of reading the truth ,please block me ,because I'm get sick of being reprimanded by someone who doesn't have my scope of experience and knowledge .  .
I was vaccinated with ONE vaccine ,in the 1960s .You know,before vaccines became a money making vehicle for big pharm .
I've since had a couple of flu vaccs in the 1990s ,and the Hep B vaccine for work .
If you have no problem with every child being vaccinated DOZENS of times a year ,for nonsense ,good for you .
I have issue with it being FORCED on the young ,infirmed and ignorant.
Keep you bull**** comments to YOURSELF .
Thanks

And the way you shills defend vaccines ,you would think your livelihoods depended upon it *coughs*

WHO CORRUPTION 101
http://rense.com/general88/megawho.htm
http://www.theepocht...tion-37268.html
http://www.financial.../2010/0111.html
http://www.theepocht...tion-37268.html
Look ,a lawsuit against WHO,for...wow ,trying to kill us all ....
http://www.currentco...ndex.php?id=850
http://www.livehealt...e-june-25-2012/

And this alleged birdflu coming to get us,is the same old song and dance. Aka LIES .
The people of the developing world cue up to recieve vaccines against life threatening diseases offered through WHO activities. Ask them if they think the risks are worth it.
I spent about a year toying with the idea of the Vaccine conspiracy when the MMR panic surfaced, but when I started to come across the dubious evidence that people where supporting their arguments with I became firmly convinced that despite the small risks involved the benefits have been significant. I was particularly convinced when I saw vaccine conspiracy advocates defending Dr Wakefield and his non-evidence for a MMR Autism connection. Anyone who bought Wakefields line after viewing the evidence would have to be unable to discuss the subject with reason.

Does this mean I will be rushing out to get non- essential vaccines for myself and my family - no, but I am extremely grateful for those I have had. However I personally have experience of the significant damage that a simple "flu" can deliver to a person because my own son has perminent asthma as a direct consequence of the N1H1 flu. That is certainly not the worst outcome since a significant minority of the young bled out from their lungs from getting that particular flu.

And any crazy can issue a lawsuit against anyone else - its winning it that matters.
Unfortunately in everything you have to exercise wisdom and intelligence in weighing the risks - but that is impossible when people cannot assess the data regarding cost benefit analysis.

Br Cornelius

Edited by Br Cornelius, 04 March 2013 - 04:57 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:27 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 04 March 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

If you're sick of reading the truth ,please block me ,because I'm get sick of being reprimanded by someone who doesn't have my scope of experience and knowledge .  .
I was vaccinated with ONE vaccine ,in the 1960s .You know,before vaccines became a money making vehicle for big pharm .
I've since had a couple of flu vaccs in the 1990s ,and the Hep B vaccine for work .
If you have no problem with every child being vaccinated DOZENS of times a year ,for nonsense ,good for you .
I have issue with it being FORCED on the young ,infirmed and ignorant.
Keep you bull**** comments to YOURSELF .
Thanks

And the way you shills defend vaccines ,you would think your livelihoods depended upon it *coughs*

WHO CORRUPTION 101
http://rense.com/general88/megawho.htm
http://www.theepocht...tion-37268.html
http://www.financial.../2010/0111.html
http://www.theepocht...tion-37268.html
Look ,a lawsuit against WHO,for...wow ,trying to kill us all ....
http://www.currentco...ndex.php?id=850
http://www.livehealt...e-june-25-2012/

And this alleged birdflu coming to get us,is the same old song and dance. Aka LIES .


The way you lie against vaccines you would think your livelihood depends on people believing they are bad.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:47 PM

Some of these vaccines are necessary and have done a lot of good.Some are really being pushed and are not really worth putting some of the junk that is in it inside a human body.I never get flu vaccines and have been around several others who had it yet never get it myself.Flu vaccines should only be given to the elderly or sick children in my opinion.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:11 AM

View Postbmk1245, on 04 March 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

See my point?
I do and agree with it.

The trick is knowing when to stop.  That trick is called moderation.

Edited by Jinxdom, 05 March 2013 - 06:11 AM.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:18 AM

View PostFurthurBB, on 04 March 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:




The way you lie against vaccines you would think your livelihood depends on people believing they are bad.


the flu vaccien this year was 56% effective. I would gues more like 40 to 30 % as some don`t go and get treatment

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:55 PM

View PostJinxdom, on 05 March 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

I do and agree with it.

The trick is knowing when to stop.  That trick is called moderation.
Yeap, its time to stop. Time to stop demonizing GM with misconceptions, ignorance, speculations, and baseless CTs.

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