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#76    CrimsonKing

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:55 PM

You are a much calmer person than me frank,that guy would have woke up in the floor looking for his teeth!I have nothing against gay people,i guess because for 1.I am not religious 2.Growing up around New Orleans there are many around.One of my best friends uncles is gay he can be a bit flamboyant at times and i will joke around with him and tell him to stop acting fruity,he doesnt get all upset and start rallying the troops about it either.He just waits until i have a woman around and when she leaves he picks her apart lol.No one can pick a womans flaws apart like a gay dude :lol: Im talking merciless haha

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:59 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 27 February 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

I don't agree with the "gay gene" suggestion. How would a gay gene be passed on to off spring when it prevents, or at least reduces the chance of having, offspring?  It would be the evolutionary equivilant of a genetic mutation that makes your head explode and therefor would be an evolutionary "dead-end".

I doubt you are suggesting that the human genome and species is somehow perfect, without faults.

The genetic components of all sorts of conditions are well established, using only Down's Syndrome as an example.

Unless the carrier(s) happen to be sterile, the gay gene, or particular chromosomal arrangement does not prevent having offspring, though your point about its reducing the chance of having offspring seems right on.

Homosexual behavior is common throughout the animal kingdom.  We are unable to interview animal species to see if they are just acting that way, or are actually so disposed.  For example, as I have seen bulls attempt to mount other bulls when penned up, I suspect that if a cow came into the area, said bull would quickly start acting heterosexually.

My only point is that the behavior is widespread, and thus to some degree or other, normal behavior.  What judgments the religious make about it is no care of mine.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:08 PM

I don't feel it's so commonplace where I live (Melbourne, Australia). But I know a few gay people and they're happy as they are. Some do feel hurt and such regarding homophobia (I guess the whole fear about "coming out" to your parents on the note as to how they would react to be a big factor in this). I have no problem with them at all.

Some people are so scared that a gay guy will crack onto them or something. But do they go around or know anyone who just grabs any woman they see for a quick kiss and cuddle? I guarantee nope. But they are so afraid they will get pounced on. People need to get a grip.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

Well, for sure, any guy who makes inappropriate "grabs" whether to a guy or to a woman, is entitled to lose a few teeth.

All I will say is that I am physically much smaller than Americans and back then didn't even have any weight to speak of.  That lead me to be more restrained than others might be.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:22 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 28 February 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well, for sure, any guy who makes inappropriate "grabs" whether to a guy or to a woman, is entitled to lose a few teeth.

All I will say is that I am physically much smaller than Americans and back then didn't even have any weight to speak of.  That lead me to be more restrained than others might be.

Understandable,some people are just messed up.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:37 PM

View Postshrooma, on 28 February 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:52 PM

Some people do not understand how attraction work and they don't know how to listen. What is funny is that if you start explaining different forms of attraction, or what kind of porn they like you can actually show that even they are a little bit gay. (point out that most of their friends are male. It's funny)

Oh and we tend to notice stupid people more then normal people, so it just seems commonplace. Most people really don't have an opinion unless the topic gets brought up.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:18 PM

View Postealdwita, on 26 February 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

The meaning of the term 'homophobia' (A fear or loathing of homosexuality) has been deliberately blurred to include those who merely disapprove of homosexuality, in a deliberate attempt to shame the latter into abandoning their disapproval. (Discredit the person to discredit their argument).

I don't hate or fear homosexuals - I don't disapprove of them as persons -  I do however, dislike this constant "Look at me me me - I'm a victim" mentality and the clamour for preferential treatment that is constantly being shoved in our faces via the media etc.

(And if that makes me a 'd-bag' because I have an opinion that differs from those more 'trendy' than I, then so be it).
I totally agree with you, you said it better than i could

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:42 PM

I think some of this has something to do with a person's ego. "if you're not like me, there's something wrong with you."  Everyone I know is different than me in some or many ways. Sometimes I think, how can they have all these different opinions from mine, or believe or behave differently than I do? These people are weird!

Homophobia may fall also into this kind of self-image discrimination.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:44 AM

View Postpallidin, on 28 February 2013 - 06:43 AM, said:

Well, all I can offer, is that as a very young male, I was raped by 2 other males.

Very unpleasent for me. So, I do have a bias.

That was a terrible crime. Your post was very brave. You and other victims definitely deserved better from life. You survived, and you beat the rapists when you did that. I related to your post in a limited way, as I underwent a similar incident that was less traumatic but still serious. I was molested by a man when I was in grade school. This particular person was a professional who had a bad reputation. He preyed on both children and women. He was in an extremely dangerous position for a predator. He had constant access to children and women. He was never charged with any crimes AFAIK, but he was known as a pervert. Regretfully, I didn't tell my parents after it happened, but they knew that something was very wrong when I went from happy to depressed in the space of one day.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 04:26 AM

I find arguments about straight/gayness being a choice versus being genetic a little troublesome because I've always felt it was a little of both. I believe there's a spectrum. If you fall toward either end of the spectrum, you won't hate but might be repulsed by the opposite end. It's the people who fall near the middle who are the "problem".

How many time have you heard a preacher or politician say something like, "We all have those desires but some of us choose not to act on them."?

I can imagine anyone toward either end hears that and thinks, "Ummm, I don't have those desires." I know that's what I think whenever I hear it. From where the people toward the middle are coming from, it's a complete matter of choice so it really is as simple as deciding which team you're going to play for.

I'm completely straight and can't imagine someone telling me I must act counter to how I feel. Because of that, I can sympathize with someone who's completely gay and doesn't want to be told either.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:34 AM

View Postsam12six, on 01 March 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

I find arguments about straight/gayness being a choice versus being genetic a little troublesome because I've always felt it was a little of both. I believe there's a spectrum. If you fall toward either end of the spectrum, you won't hate but might be repulsed by the opposite end. It's the people who fall near the middle who are the "problem".

How many time have you heard a preacher or politician say something like, "We all have those desires but some of us choose not to act on them."?

I can imagine anyone toward either end hears that and thinks, "Ummm, I don't have those desires." I know that's what I think whenever I hear it. From where the people toward the middle are coming from, it's a complete matter of choice so it really is as simple as deciding which team you're going to play for.

I'm completely straight and can't imagine someone telling me I must act counter to how I feel. Because of that, I can sympathize with someone who's completely gay and doesn't want to be told either.

Oh, I get it. Bi's are the problem.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:55 AM

I guess it's time I posted my theory on sexual orientation so people can shoot at it

For human beings I think there are two basic inherited patterns of "turn-on buttons," mainly visual but with a few other senses involved.  There is the masculine pattern, inherited by most women, of being attracted to broad shoulders, muscularity, narrow hips, tight butt, male genitalia, a certain hardness and lack of smoothness, deeper voice, etc.  Then there is the feminine pattern, inherited by most men, of being attracted to broad hips, breasts, a certain softness and smoothness and roundness, higher voice, and of course female genitalia.

These are two distinctive patterns, and 90% or more of the population inherits the pattern of turn-ons corresponding to their biological sex.  Some -- those we call bisexuals -- get both and some get the pattern corresponding to the opposite of their biological sex.  Of course this simplifies the pattern, as we have all sorts of variations ("leg men" vs. "breast men," and so on) and of course all people sometimes have fantasies involving the sex other than their normal orientation (although introspectively I don't know if that is really so -- in my case the fantasies that have included other men have also always had women in them, and there is no homosexual activity).

This is all to be distinguished from another phenomenon, situations where a person is born with a mental identification with the sex other than that of their physical body.  These are not "turn-on buttons," but actual feeling of being a person in a body of the wrong sex.  These we call transsexuals and generally they need at some point in their lives to undergo the surgeries and other treatments to allow them to be the sex they are psychologically.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:20 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 01 March 2013 - 03:44 AM, said:

That was a terrible crime. Your post was very brave. You and other victims definitely deserved better from life. You survived, and you beat the rapists when you did that. I related to your post in a limited way, as I underwent a similar incident that was less traumatic but still serious. I was molested by a man when I was in grade school. This particular person was a professional who had a bad reputation. He preyed on both children and women. He was in an extremely dangerous position for a predator. He had constant access to children and women. He was never charged with any crimes AFAIK, but he was known as a pervert. Regretfully, I didn't tell my parents after it happened, but they knew that something was very wrong when I went from happy to depressed in the space of one day.

Yep. And sorry to hear about your own experience.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:27 AM

And just as a side-note, I can only imagine the trauma of a female being raped by a heterosexual male.

I'm sure their physical/emotional scars are much deeper than I have, especially if they even live to tell the story.





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