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[Pyridium]

Pres. Obama was a professional community organizer.  From the top of a milk crate, he inspired millions of people to rally against the system.  As a scholar of the Constitution of the United States, he used his vast knowledge to interpret what it was supposed to mean and as President he found the opportunity to slide through the "so called" loopholes of the constitution to enforce the concept for the benefit of the majority of Americans...the middle class.

Obama eliminated the "poor class" from our everyday language.  There is no "poor class" in America.  If you do not have a job, you are the middle class.  The Govt. will feed you, clothe you, give you rent support, provide medicaid or ObamaCare, free cell phones, etc., etc.  This is the new "Middle Class", Obama's majority.  If you have a job, you are in the "Upper Class", and if you are rich, you are the Elite class.  Think of this post when you hear Obama speak about the middle class.  Now that the minority are the people with jobs, they are the ones that will be paying higher taxes to support the majority.

This is why Obama wants to raise the minimum wage to $9 per hour.  At just $7.25 per hour, it pays more to just sit at home and collect a decent subsidy from the Govt. every month.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

And I can hear the rebuttal coming.
It's tune is "he's turning people into wage slaves, he ignores and actively abuses the Cosntitution and Bill of Rights".

[AsteroidX]

Obamas a beautiful man when hes in makeup in front of the cameras. So is Michele.


http://www.constitut...thamendment.htm

Edited by AsteroidX, 26 February 2013 - 09:43 PM.

[Pyridium]

When we look back at Obama's terms in office, he will be known as the "Campaigner in Chief".  He has destroyed the Republican party and is using his milk crate talking to the new "Middle class" instead of talking to congress to solve even the simpliest task.

Obama will also be remembered as the "Oblamer in Chief".  Nothing was his fault, it was Bush, Republicans, Upper class americans and the very rich.  Remember, Benghazi never happened, and if it did, it would not be Obama's fault, it was the "video".

[ninjadude]

Pyridium, on 26 February 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Pres. Obama was a professional community organizer.  From the top of a milk crate, he inspired millions of people to rally against the system.

hogwash. He inspired millions to rally to work WITHIN the system to accomplish their goals.

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Obama eliminated the "poor class" from our everyday language.  There is no "poor class" in America.  If you do not have a job, you are the middle class.  The Govt. will feed you, clothe you, give you rent support, provide medicaid or ObamaCare, free cell phones, etc., etc.

this is more hogwash. Obama did no such thing. Medicaid has existed for many decades. The free cell phone was under Bush administration. Food stamps are limited. The government will not "clothe" you. Unemployment insurance has existed for many decades.

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If you have a job, you are in the "Upper Class", and if you are rich, you are the Elite class.  Think of this post when you hear Obama speak about the
middle class.

more bullcrap.

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This is why Obama wants to raise the minimum wage to $9 per hour.

you are really mistaken. It will create a living wage, one that a person can survive on. In 2012 dollars the existing min wage is a joke.

[ninjadude]

Pyridium, on 26 February 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

When we look back at Obama's terms in office, he will be known as the "Campaigner in Chief".

as opposed to what? This is how our politics works for the last 50 years.

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He has destroyed the Republican party

I can only hope.

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instead of talking to congress to solve even the simpliest task.

are you completely unaware that it's the republicans in congress that vowed to block EVERYTHING Obama does and have used the Senate filibuster in unprecedented numbers in American history.

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Obama will also be remembered as the "Oblamer in Chief".  Nothing was his fault, it was Bush, Republicans, Upper class americans and the very rich.  Remember, Benghazi never happened, and if it did, it would not be Obama's fault, it was the "video".

First "remembering" will take another four years, my friend. Second, Bush and the republicans so screwed up the country that yes, they will be correctly blamed for it for a century. Benghazi did happen and they freely listed those failures.

I get the impression you really don't keep informed or only watch faux news.

[F3SS]

ninjadude, on 27 February 2013 - 03:02 AM, said:

you are really mistaken. It will create a living wage, one that a person can survive on. In 2012 dollars the existing min wage is a joke.

And when the prices of everyday items inflate with the rise of minimum wage, as it will and always has, it won't be a "living wage" after a couple years. $9 will be more than double the minimum wage of only 17 years ago. Are we going to be at $18 by 2030? There has to be a limit. Raising the minimum wage so often recreates the same problem it's trying to solve.

[ninjadude]

-Mr_Fess-, on 27 February 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

There has to be a limit.

No there does not.

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This fear of inflation from the minimum wage is not based on any reasonable description of how these minimum wage hikes will likely impact businesses, or the economy more generally. The potential impact of minimum wage hikes on the overall price level is simply too small to have any appreciable impact on inflation.

http://backtofullemp...ause-inflation/

[F3SS]

There always has to be limits. Limits instill discipline. At some point it becomes unsustainable.

[spartan max2]

I feel like the only reason you posted this was to cause problems. Shame on you sir

[F3SS]

ninjadude, on 27 February 2013 - 03:42 AM, said:

http://backtofullemp...ause-inflation/

There's a lot of coulds and shoulds as to how a business can operate but somehow or another prices will be affected.

spartan max2, on 27 February 2013 - 04:05 AM, said:

I feel like the only reason you posted this was to cause problems. Shame on you sir

Who? what?

[Cradle of Fish]

-Mr_Fess-, on 27 February 2013 - 03:58 AM, said:

There always has to be limits. Limits instill discipline. At some point it becomes unsustainable.

Yes such a barbarically low minimum wage has to do with 'instilling discipline' and not corporate greed.  And why are the people at the bottom of society the ones who need discipline? It's all the ones at the top who act recklessly and cause economic carnage for the rest of us.

Frankly I was astounded when I heard that Obama wants to raise the minimum wage in the US to ten dollars an hour. In Australia it's about $16-18. Even more astounding is the notion that people are going to oppose it when it really is a great way to combag poverty.

[Pyridium]

There are a few ppl that throw around words like, "bullcrap" and "hogwash" to insult any view that does not comport to their extremely narrow field of vision of reality.  I enjoy the way that Ninjadude can take any sentence and come up with something completely different because he has all the answers and everybody else is totally wrong.  I read this forum often, and post rarely as I tend to let the socially obsessive and mentally challenged people make fools of themselves.  I refuse to get into a fact for fact, you are wrong, I am right, it was his fault, not my fault style of discussions.  I talk more from a Macro perspective, not a Micro, trivial way.

When I say that Obama has destroyed the Republicans, I mean that the Democratic press has successfully labeled them as racist, out of touch, morons.  The Occupy movement has won, and Obama is their leader.  Over 50% of americans are on some kind of govt. dole and Obama is their leader.  Obama is the first president that has ignored the country as a whole, and did everything he could to tear down our capitalistic system, redistribute to those that need from those that can provide.  According to Obama, we have no debt problem, we have a tax problem.   We don't have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem.  Oh, by the way, Benghazi was the fault of a video.

Those people that do not vote are known as the "no information Americans".  Those people that do vote, but have no idea of how their vote will effect the country are known as "low information voters".  It is obvious that our country has a majority population of "low information voters".  That is why Obama was voted into office.  No logic, no brains, just gimme, gimme, gimme,...mmm...mmm...mmm...Barack Husaine Obama...mmm...mmm...mmm.

In my opinion, Obama has no interest in solving real problems, there are no real problems, but he is moving ahead with his "grand" agenda to reform this country, not the tax code; rewrite the constitution, not abide by it; and to change everything we loved about this country of enthusiastic entrepreneures into a socialistic nanny state...nobody with more than anyone else, and nobody with less than anyone else.

[Jeremiah65]

Warning!  Wall of text coming!




I can understand why many people that like the idea of increasing the minimum wage believe that it is a good thing. I totally understand...but it always comes at a cost.

I can remember my first job while I was in high school. I made $3.35 and hour...woo-hoo! That was...erm...over 30 years ago.

What I have observed over the years is that every time the minimum wage goes up, the cost of everything else goes up. The fallout of this is while it is great that those on the low end of the income scale get a bump, they only get to enjoy it for a very short time. Also...everyone else who was making say...$12.00 dollars an hour are NOT going to get a raise but their costs are going to go up. See the prison?

I'm not saying it is right that every time the minimum wage goes up that the cost of everything else goes up to...it is just a reality. Corporations work on percentages of profit over cost. If it costs $10.00 to make something and you and your stockholders are working for a 25% gross profit...that product must sell for no less than $12.50. If the cost of producing goes up 10% and now cost $11.00 to make...the associated product will now sell for $13.75. See how this works?

I like to think of myself as a realist with hopeful thoughts. I "hope" that one day the world will be fair and we can all live in decent homes with food on our table...but the "realist" in me says..."ain't gonna happen"...

Here is a thought though…

In 1972, the price of an ounce of gold was $38.00 per ounce
(source = http://minerals.usgs...gold/300798.pdf )

In 1972, the minimum wage was $1.60 an hour.

A person in 1972 had to work approx 23.75 hours to earn the equivalent of an ounce of gold value.

In 2013, the price of gold is roughly $1,580.00 an ounce (give or take)

In 2013 the minimum wage is currently $7.25 and hour.

A person today must work approximately 218 hours to earn the equivalent to an ounce of gold.

Just saying…the system isn’t balanced and most people have not observed this huge imbalance …it happened over nearly 40 years.  They did not “feel” the water warming up.

Consider this…

In my humble opinion...

If you really and truly want to make the life of others more prosperous and fulfilling...

There is only one possible road...

Freedom.

Here comes my soapbox moment..



Many have this idea that the Gov mandating wages is the answer when time and again it has been proven to be only a temporary "pleasure" until the costs rise and wipe out the gains...fact.

The Gov...while mandating this...is also holding strict laws on free enterprise and entrepreneurship. They are holding both ends of the rope that they are using to hang people with. Raising the minimum wage does not create prosperity, it continues wage slavery.

I say...get the Gov out of the way...let people do what they can do to take care of themselves. If a person wants to get a cheap trailer and a cheap grill and sell cheap hot dogs along the side of the road...he should be able to do that. he should not have to pay for licensing and regulations just to get started. Sure, have a health inspection randomly to make sure the guy isn't poisoning people...but do not punish before he even gets started.

If someone wants to be a door-to-door masseuse...they should be able to without ridiculous rules and regulations.

All these regulations and codes do is stifle competition in the market place. If you are already up the ladder, what a better way to keep your "position" than to lobby for regulations that limit and/or remove competition...

The only true answer is complete economic and financial freedom for all. I am not talking about no oversight...there are some things that have to be monitored for safety...but...many things are regulated for the sake of regulation alone. There used to be a term..."Buyer beware"...if you choose to purchase poorly, that is your lack of research...it should not be up to the Gov to protect you from your own stupidity.

I believe things like prostitution and certain herbal substances should be legal. They can be taxed and it boils down to two people making a contract between them. There should be no place for the Gov in this arrangement.

I digress though. I believe in freedom and personal responsibility. I know many-many people believe the answer to our woes is in more and more Gov't control and for me and those that feel as I do...that is the exact opposite of what needs to happen to return to prosperity...

/end soapbox

[Bama13]

ninjadude, on 27 February 2013 - 03:02 AM, said:

you are really mistaken. It will create a living wage, one that a person can survive on. In 2012 dollars the existing min wage is a joke.

Haha. That is funny. I managed various fast food restaurants for 10 years. Their labor is based on sales. You get x amount of labor dollars for y amout of sales. So unless sales increase labor dollars remain the same. Therefore what you get is less hours. You end up making the same amount as before, just work less hours. Then service suffers because there are fewer employees working. Then sales might suffer because service is worse. If sales goes down labor dollars go down. Now you are making less than you did before.