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reintroducing corporal punishment in schools?


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#46    shrooma

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:39 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 27 February 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:



As long as it happens with parental consent first to prevent abuses.
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that was my original question Mr, 'would you allow your child to be punished'?

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:49 PM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 27 February 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:




What happen's if or when the kid getting punished did nothing wrong or did nothing that warrants being punished ? (there are teachers that have a bad day and take it out on the kids at school)
What happen's if the wrong person gets punished, all because the peson that should of got punished is good at being deceitful ?


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somebody on this thread mentioned having cameras in classes, a brilliant idea that would solve this problem.
as for the teacher, if they HAD taken a bad day out on someone, they should be instantly dismissed and banned from teaching for life, after all, these ARE children we're talking about!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:13 PM

View Postshrooma, on 27 February 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

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somebody on this thread mentioned having cameras in classes, a brilliant idea that would solve this problem.
as for the teacher, if they HAD taken a bad day out on someone, they should be instantly dismissed and banned from teaching for life, after all, these ARE children we're talking about!

I think the opposite about cameras. It would be a massive invasion of privacy and how secure would school networks be from attacks to get such videos? It's a dark path, the road of constant surveillance.

Besides, I doubt most unruly kids would care too much about a camera. After all, they already act as such with a teacher in the room.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:24 PM

I agree with ExpandMyMind.  I don't think cameras would be much of a deterrent.  I've had students (13 year olds) start fights literally three feet away from me, yell at me and stalk out of the classroom, and use the f-bomb about another student in my presence.  They (not all, but some) have a don't-care attitude about misbehaving.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:46 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 27 February 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:



I think the opposite about cameras. It would be a massive invasion of privacy
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i'm not sure privacy would be an issue, classrooms of thirty five kids are hardly dens of seclusion?
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Besides, I doubt most unruly kids would care too much about a camera. After all, they already act as such with a teacher in the room.
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maybe if they knew they were going to get a good hiding, they wouldn't....?
don't get me wrong, i'm not getting ready to jump when the 'flog 'em 'til they bleed' bandwagon rolls past, I can see the merit in both sides of the argument, but I can't help thinking that lack of dicipline plays a big part in kids' attitudes towards others these days!
(and not forgetting gangsta rap either!)
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because ignorance, is the British disease."

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:51 PM

View Postshrooma, on 27 February 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

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that was my original question Mr, 'would you allow your child to be punished'?

Yes, but only if I agree he/she had misbehaved


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

View Postshrooma, on 27 February 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

(and not forgetting gangsta rap either!)

And in my part of the world, I see a correlation between kids' level of respect and the way families are depicted on television.  Dumb adults in general, clueless father, self-obsessed mother, and sarcastic, worldly kids.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

View Postshrooma, on 27 February 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

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maybe if they knew they were going to get a good hiding, they wouldn't....?
don't get me wrong, i'm not getting ready to jump when the 'flog 'em 'til they bleed' bandwagon rolls past, I can see the merit in both sides of the argument, but I can't help thinking that lack of dicipline plays a big part in kids' attitudes towards others these days!
(and not forgetting gangsta rap either!)
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I think, as has been said before in the thread, that it is a matter of discipline at home that needs addressing far more than at schools.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 27 February 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:



Yes, but only if I agree he/she had misbehaved
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with other forms of punishment available, with caning being used as the last resort, i'm pretty sure you could be certain they'd done something wrong!
but I agree, it's a punishment that should be only used with permission. only problem is, it's the parents with the worst kids who probably wouldn't allow it!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:21 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 27 February 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:



I think, as has been said before in the thread, that it is a matter of discipline at home that needs addressing far more than at schools.
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what then ex, bring back the stocks for bad parents?
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i'm game if you are...!
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

this would be smart

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:28 PM

View PostJ. K., on 27 February 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

They (not all, but some) have a don't-care attitude about misbehaving.
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don't you feel that being able to mete out harsher punishment would be a deterrent though JK? when I was thirteen, the prospect of being caned wasn't in the least bit attractive!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:40 PM

View Postshrooma, on 27 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

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don't you feel that being able to mete out harsher punishment would be a deterrent though JK? when I was thirteen, the prospect of being caned wasn't in the least bit attractive!

I think it would for some, but for others it would be just a joke to them, or just makes them more resentful of authority.  I truly don't know what the best answer would be.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:55 PM

View PostJ. K., on 27 February 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:



I think it would for some, but for others it would be just a joke to them, or just makes them more resentful of authority.  I truly don't know what the best answer would be.
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neither do I JK.
I started this thread not to put my put my view forward, to force my opinion on others, but as a genuine interest on how people felt about the issue, and you, as a teacher, are probably more qualified than most to at least understand the argument.
my own view though, having two 12yo girls, is that if they'd done something wrong, and I wasn't there to reprimand them, then i'd allow someone with the authority to do so, do so, but that's just my opinion, and not one i'm going to impress on others.

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because ignorance, is the British disease."

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:13 PM

View Postshrooma, on 27 February 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

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with other forms of punishment available, with caning being used as the last resort, i'm pretty sure you could be certain they'd done something wrong!
but I agree, it's a punishment that should be only used with permission. only problem is, it's the parents with the worst kids who probably wouldn't allow it!

If they are a problem and the parents wont let them be punished they the school should expel them.





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