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#136    Bavarian Raven

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:48 PM

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Some people try to use the " you eat pigs, cow, chickens, etc..."

What they fail to realize is that if those animals became endangered, or even close to it, we would not eat them, we would protect them.

Be that as it may, you are still equating that one animal's existence is more important then another animals existence. Do whales have more of a right to exist then cows or pigs?


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Posted 09 March 2013 - 04:01 PM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 09 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Be that as it may, you are still equating that one animal's existence is more important then another animals existence. Do whales have more of a right to exist then cows or pigs?
I think so.  First, we are animals and we are more important.  Again, we have no issue with spraying to protect the tomatoes, and worming to protect the puppies.  Again, one animal (in the first case a plant) is more important than another.It needs a rational approach.  Whales are extremely important to us because they are so intelligent.


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Posted 09 March 2013 - 04:52 PM

View Postscarfaceclaw, on 09 March 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

There is no evidence to even suggest that the whales they take are even an  endangered species any more, and certainly the handful of whales japan take makes little difference to their numbers.

Green Peace are a joke, its a business, they need to be seen to be doing something to validate the millions of dollars of profit  they make every year.


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Posted 09 March 2013 - 04:56 PM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 09 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Be that as it may, you are still equating that one animal's existence is more important then another animals existence. Do whales have more of a right to exist then cows or pigs?


Personally, I do feel Dolphins, Whales, Wolves, and a few other animals are not meant for consumption. To me it is a ethical thing.

Now, take that away, and what I was saying is if Whales populations were big, like cows, like chickens, and like pigs, I would not have as big of a problem with people eating them.

My main issue is that I want my grand children, and great grandchildren, to be able to see the world as I did as a kid. I know this will not happen, as in just my 47 years, it has been deteriorating at a astonishing rate.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:01 AM

Well this is plain stupid.  They will have to stop whaling when whales are extinct.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:03 AM

View Postscarfaceclaw, on 09 March 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

There is no evidence to even suggest that the whales they take are even an  endangered species any more, and certainly the handful of whales japan take makes little difference to their numbers.
Yes, because nothing improves a species chance of survive as shrinking it's genepool.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:53 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 27 February 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

I replied to this, but it doesn't seem to be there any more. That seems curious.

Anyway, I have little time for the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, who are just a bunch of pirates, but really, trying the Racism card?

It is in the Natural World section in the thread on the Bob Barker by one of the Sea Shepherd supporters, and yes, I agree 100% these terrorists will ensure that Japan stays on the water for as long as they try to stop them. Whilst whaling should be ended a bunch of jumped up upstarts are only ever going to make something bad much, much worse. The only time whaling has ever halted was in 1987 because of the moratorium that the US went back on, and annoyed the Japanese enough to restart whaling operations. Not one whale was taken by the Japanese in 1987, because we talked to them at the table instead of trying to harm them like the Sea Shepherd does.
Would the US listen to one boat of protestors on what they see as an important social issue with historical roots? They would probably just blow them out of the water. If that happened to the Sea Shepherd, it would be the best thing to ever happen to Whaling.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:58 AM

View PostDigitalDreamer, on 07 March 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

in my opinion its savage to keep killing all these animals

I do not agree with whaling either, it is not something I would even consider doing, or wanting to do. It's barbaric by todays standards at best. But telling them not to do it is not going to work, we have to ask, and show why we find it offensive, when we throw things at them, call them names, all that sort of jazz, nothing will ever be resolved. We need to grow up a bit and talk like grown ups. Neither side is doing that, and have not for some time.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:02 AM

View PostYamato, on 08 March 2013 - 06:10 AM, said:

A few Australian frigates to escort the Japanese poaching fleet out of Australian waters will be all it takes to pin Japanese pride down on the mat for good.

You always bleat this, but they do not enter Australian Waters. Some people who made up some boundaries say they do, but legally, they do not cross into Australian Waters to whale. You have not ever proven they have, but you have got very angry about me pointing out this very fact to you. It's a myth that is often reinforced by claims from a couple of idiot Aussie politicians who do not seem to understand boundaries. But I would not mind selling those turnips some land on the moon, I am sure they will recognise that too.

Don't friggin involve my country in a war thanks very much.

Edited by psyche101, 18 March 2013 - 10:03 AM.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:14 AM

View Posttipotep, on 03 March 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

I don't usually have anything nice to say about the Australian government but I will admit that the stand we take when it comes to whaling makes me proud to be an Aussie , they are a magnificent creature and keeping them safe should be a prority to EVERY country .


Can't stand by you on this one Tip, never seen so much misinformation in my life as I have from our pollies. I wonder if they are on the SS payroll at times. This Government is the worst I think we have ever had in history. New Zealand is leaps and bounds in front of us with regards to Cetacean Management  you should see how awesome Kikoura is. Our NZ cousins have outlawed Dolphin captivity. Not us. Go to Sea World and watch them perform! Heck, we used to have two in a Hotel pool on a holiday Island here. It's a dead set joke. We could also easily dump the shark nets that kill heaps of marine life daily, turtles, fish, if it swims, it will get caught, but sonic devices have been more effective for years, nobody in the Aussie Gov gives a rodents rectum.

Its political BS. I am an Aussie, and I am disgusted in our approach to marine biology. I would not be surprised to find Aussie pollies (yeah OS people we stick an "i" on the end of everything) think whales are fish. Not one bit. When it comes to marine biology, I wish we were as advanced as New Zealand is. All this crap in the news is just for show. Most of them do not even have a clue what out territorial waters actually are. What Australian politicians do is spout half baked BS and make it sound like they care on an International stage so they look good to those who know about as much as they actually do. Next time one says they give a damn ask them what about all marine life?

We need someone who actually knows what they are doing, not pirates and politicians.

Edited by psyche101, 18 March 2013 - 10:15 AM.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:38 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 18 March 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

I do not agree with whaling either, it is not something I would even consider doing, or wanting to do. It's barbaric by todays standards at best. But telling them not to do it is not going to work, we have to ask, and show why we find it offensive, when we throw things at them, call them names, all that sort of jazz, nothing will ever be resolved. We need to grow up a bit and talk like grown ups. Neither side is doing that, and have not for some time.
Nobody ever sat down with the Japanese and asked them to stop killing whales like grown ups, and you think that's the problem? If only the world wasn't so immature, your mature question asking Japan to stop would work?   You've got to be kidding!  
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View Postpsyche101, on 18 March 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

We need someone who actually knows what they are doing, not pirates and politicians.
If you know so much better than pirates and politicians, why don't you do something? It's not enough to snip at others when we don't agree with what they're doing.   If you're so right, why don't you go say something mature and effective to the Japanese and change their minds?  What are you waiting for?   Do you need some email addresses and other contact information to help you out?   Or are you going to come back with more excuses for inaction and more complaints about action that are surely just signs of maturity and knowing what you're doing?  

Conservationists don't complain that the river is dirty.  Conservationists clean up the river.  DO something besides complain about people while acting like you have a monopoly on maturity and common sense the rest of the world lacks.   Your pattern is just dumping blame at everyone doing something to fight back and forgetting to dump the blame on the Japanese government where it belongs.   Japan should be asked out of Australian waters that Australia recognizes via warship, and your ill-formed opinion that can't even recognize your own country's sovereign waters isn't going to affect the debate, much less end Japan's goons from doing their barbaric business.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:55 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 18 March 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

You always bleat this, but they do not enter Australian Waters. Some people who made up some boundaries say they do, but legally, they do not cross into Australian Waters to whale. You have not ever proven they have, but you have got very angry about me pointing out this very fact to you. It's a myth that is often reinforced by claims from a couple of idiot Aussie politicians who do not seem to understand boundaries. But I would not mind selling those turnips some land on the moon, I am sure they will recognise that too.

Don't friggin involve my country in a war thanks very much.
You don't even respect your own country's position.  The best country in the world for affecting this issue and you want to sit in the corner and cower.   You don't understand boundaries at all, nor can you understand facts like Australia (not a few "idiot" politicians) officially recognizes its own sovereign territory.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:09 PM

Some hypocrites among us. It's no different, in fact not even as bad as what our cultures do, in my eyes. At least the whales are in the wild, they're not stuffed to live in cages all their lives until it's their time in the slaughter house. Baby whales aren't thrown live into "blenders" for the sake of a few chicken burgers. Don't get me wrong, am sure Japan does this also, but we have no leg to stand on when it comes to lecturing other countries on the treatment of animals.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:03 AM

View PostThe Skater Boy, on 19 March 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

Some hypocrites among us. It's no different, in fact not even as bad as what our cultures do, in my eyes. At least the whales are in the wild, they're not stuffed to live in cages all their lives until it's their time in the slaughter house. Baby whales aren't thrown live into "blenders" for the sake of a few chicken burgers. Don't get me wrong, am sure Japan does this also, but we have no leg to stand on when it comes to lecturing other countries on the treatment of animals.

That is a fail....

Whales are endangered, or close to it.

Pigs, chickens, cows, etc. are no where near that. If the numbers of Cows, chickens, and pigs drop to a alarming level ( actually well before that ) we would stop killing them.

If whales had the numbers as cows, chickens, and pigs. Hell, Salmon, Cod, Shrimp...( Salmon numbers are dropping though ) I would not be complaining, and I doubt as many would be.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:17 AM

the only good the SS crew is doing is to give other countries a platform to stop their own countries from jumping on to the whaling profit market when their dwindling catches can't match their deep sea forays for profit, catch a whale and balance the books ....

If the Japanese can why can't we ?
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