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#181    Myles

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:20 PM

View PostYamato, on 21 March 2013 - 02:37 AM, said:

It's about preserving natural habitats, ecosystems and species foremost.

Why shouldn't it also be about cruelty?   Tell me, what is the crueler?   Nearly beheading a cow at a slaughterhouse and killing it almost immediately, or shooting a whale in the back of the head with a harpoon and watching it suffer, panic and struggle until it drowns on its own blood more than 20 minutes later?   If cruelty is the reason to further agree with me, I will accept that application also.

Deer have it worse.   They typically take a shot or an arrow and then wander till they die.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:44 PM

Did anyone ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right?


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:51 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 21 March 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

Did anyone ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right?

Just trying to understand.   Yamato said she was not against hunting turkeys or deer.  
The issue for him/her is the hunting of animals with small overall populations.   Nothing wrong with that.

How would you propose deer be hunted?  The current way is not "wrong".


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:56 PM

I wouldn't hunt deer, but that is not relevant to the whale question.  Hunting whales is worse because they are much more intelligent creatures.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:37 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 21 March 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

That is ALL the Sea Shepherd does. Garner publicity. You have convinced yourself that they do more than that, but you are wrong. The token gestures for the TV shows only ensure the TV show will have another season of Whale Wars.



What is my problem? I AM an Aussie, my taxpayer dollars assist, and clean up the messes these jerk offs leave behind. I am not happy that one brown cent that I work hard for goes to that terrorist organisation, and with their international pay TV "incentive" I will never get these filthy mongrels out of my pocket. I want REAL conservation, not an endless show pretending they care. If you are dim enough to give your money to these pirates, fine, but house them in your own backyard too. Not mine thanks. As an Aussie, I'd like to tell you and the Sea Shepherd to rack off. We do not want you or your so called BS help. Nor do we want your BS about Sovereign waters that nobody recognises. Go some other place and make your stupid show.
What does being the best country in the world have to do with anything?

Yeah, we do need courage  not some jumped up upstart pirating his way across the seas we need someone with the fortitude to say "Hey Japan, we totally screwed up with the last moratorium, what would it take to get you to reconsider that position?"

Like in the year 19787 when Japan did not take even one whale. Thanks to negotiation.

Not some idiot throwing rancid butter at boats. What they hell do you think that is actually doing? Making them all stinky huh! That showed them Whalers!

What we need is for you do gooders to stay in your own country and shut the hell up. If you want the stupid TV show so bad, shoot it in your own backyard!

I feel exactly the same way about you. I do not think you give a rodents rectum about Whaling, just Whale Wars. You do not understand sovereign waters one little bit, and when I offered to ask Marine Biologists to come into the other thread and explain it in better than I have you insulted me in PM. You have issues Yam, anger issues. So does Watson, and that is your problem. You cannot even maintain yourself in a forum without having to resort to PM to insult!




And I am glad you did answer, I have asked you before to not bother with Youtube, as I do not hold it in very high regard as my signature says, but I did read the link, and it says exactly what I have been saying. There is collusion between the Sea Shepherd and some rotten mongrel in Australia's Labour/Green Government. Dirty politicians, who I would not mind betting get a cut from Whale Wars. From your link:

Commission for the Conservation of Southern Bluefin Tuna (CCSBT): Since 1992, Australia, Japan, and New Zealand have ordered seabird mitigation measures to be used in their Southern bluefin tuna longline fishery and made the use of bird-scaring lines mandatory in their fisheries. In 1996, Australia required all vessels fishing below 30 degrees south latitude to use bird-scaring lines.


Notice how the Sea Shepherd turns a blind eye to Australia's long lines because of some BS excuse? What the hell is bird scaring going to do 30 degrees below south latitude? Save half the birds is better than none is it? How many Australian Ships do they mention confiscating lines from? Are they trying to say no fishing vessels from Australia use long lines? Get real man! It's a free pass, and why? Because of the mongrels taking the payoff from those bloody pirates  Gee, hope you do not mind the idea of you donation being used for graft and corruption! Might have been a nice bottle of red for some moron pollie even. Appropriate that would be.

You are a perfect example of TV conservation. You think you are doing the right thing, yet in the end, all you are keeping alive is a TV show that capitalises on that which you think you are assisting. The Sea Shepherd are terrorist crooks. Nothing more, and there are warrants to prove it.

Even the International Whaling Commission revokes their observers status, and calls them terrorists, these are the people who you are trying to actually help by not helping, yet even when the highest whaling authority on the planet, who know more about whales than Paul Watson does about TV, are asking them to rack off. What does it take to get the message across? The Sea Shepherd is not welcomed by thinking Aussies, nor is the Whale Wars show helpful in any way. Go away pirates. And keep your money Yam. Spend it in whatever country you live in. Stop Bloody Helping! It's not wanted!

Are you American by any chance Yam? Is that your problem? You know it was a decision from your country that created this situation that we have today, and you want to shift the blame is it?
I will never trust the bureaucracy to do what's right for the environment.   Like I'm some kind of advocate for my country doing the right thing.   Talk about singing to the choir!  The biggest polluters on the face of the earth, the institutions and governments that tell us how to live and why we should propagate, how we should consume so many resources, and where every conceivable line of man gets drawn is no manner of authority to tell me how to live or what to value.   I value the lives of whales and the best way to save whales is to confront whale poachers physically in the act of their butchery and shut them down cold.   Japan is by far the biggest whaling operation on the planet; Sea Shepherd is right to put their resources into shutting it down.

Don't get personal with me.  You accuse me of lying 10 times in one reply and you can't even document one when challenged.  Grow up, don't get personal.  Keep it on topic.  This is not about me.  You're desperate and so you have to make it about me, it's the only thing you can authoritatively talk about since you know all about me. Your BS opinions about Sea Shepherd that you're too embarrassed to document your sources after asking you four times mean nothing to me.   You can't make up in word count for empty rhetoric.   You telling me "all Sea Shepherd does" is pointless.  You lost all credibility with me when you got personal and called me a liar.   You might as bang your head on the wall.   Garnering publicity is extremely effective at pumping up their balance sheet.  They've put millions of people from across the globe into their wheelhouse thanks to having the #1 rated show on Animal Planet and with further exposure they will hopefully get hundreds of millions more.   That's the way to win the war while they're winning the battle in the meantime.

There are a million environmental issues out there to grab onto and defend.   Sea Shepherd can't be everywhere at all times to convince even every sofa lounging critic who has all the good ideas but utter impotence to do something with them.   I referred you to the 52 minute speech given by Paul Watson speaking on Animal Rights where he addressed all the other conservationists and all the other work that they're doing.  It's all important.  It's all worthwhile.  Nobody is doing everything but they're the ones doing what they can and that makes all the difference.

Physically blocking the factory ship from transferring whales has proven effective.   There's always new tactics, new weapons, new ideas that deserve consideration to shut these poachers down any non-violent way possible.  I've advocated building an "acid cannon" which incorporates an acid injector behind the barrel of the Steve Irwin's water cannon which can spray right through the protective multi-million dollar taxpayer netting on the Nisshin Maru and bathe the whale being processed on the flensing deck with taint.   Another idea I've advocated for is to record the sounds these whales are making when they're dying slow and torturous deaths from the illegal Japanese whale poachers' harpoons and blast them at all angles while escorting the disgusting Japanese whaling vessels.

They have an excellent series on Youtube called 'Meet the Crew' which I recommend for your viewing pleasure.   What other organization gives every employee the chance to speak out regardless of rank or role?   That is pure class.   Here's an episode.   Your "terrorists".  LOL



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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:33 PM

industrial fishing is wasteful because of most of net catches are poured back into the sea 'dead' because permits and license issued by 'law'

Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall Fish Fight

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:52 AM

View PostYamato, on 21 March 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

I will never trust the bureaucracy to do what's right for the environment.   Like I'm some kind of advocate for my country doing the right thing.   Talk about singing to the choir!  The biggest polluters on the face of the earth, the institutions and governments that tell us how to live and why we should propagate, how we should consume so many resources, and where every conceivable line of man gets drawn is no manner of authority to tell me how to live or what to value.   I value the lives of whales and the best way to save whales is to confront whale poachers physically in the act of their butchery and shut them down cold.   Japan is by far the biggest whaling operation on the planet; Sea Shepherd is right to put their resources into shutting it down.

1 - You are trusting the bureaucracy, you keep quoting Aussie Pollies who have not a clue about territory, and keep citing some made up boundary. The map provided shows Australia's territorial waters, please show where they have been breached by placing marks on the map
2 -  What country? Are you an Aussie?
3 - You are telling Japan how they should live, and what they can do, this is how the US managed to get us into the situation we are in right now.
4 - The Whalers are not poachers, that is just emotional rhetoric. They are breaking no laws, or they would not be on the Oceans, they take advantage of a loophole. On the other hand, the Sea Shepherd is breaking laws and do not have the right to terrorise others. Rules are rules, wether you agree with them or not.

View PostYamato, on 21 March 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

Don't get personal with me.  You accuse me of lying 10 times in one reply and you can't even document one when challenged.  Grow up, don't get personal.  Keep it on topic.  This is not about me.  You're desperate and so you have to make it about me, it's the only thing you can authoritatively talk about since you know all about me. Your BS opinions about Sea Shepherd that you're too embarrassed to document your sources after asking you four times mean nothing to me.   You can't make up in word count for empty rhetoric.   You telling me "all Sea Shepherd does" is pointless.  You lost all credibility with me when you got personal and called me a liar.   You might as bang your head on the wall.   Garnering publicity is extremely effective at pumping up their balance sheet.  They've put millions of people from across the globe into their wheelhouse thanks to having the #1 rated show on Animal Planet and with further exposure they will hopefully get hundreds of millions more.   That's the way to win the war while they're winning the battle in the meantime.

I am not getting personal with you, I would not even know you if I tripped over you in the street, I am pointing out that your information is false. If you take that personally, that is not my problem. You did post a lie, and I gave examples of where you did, and why. I also gave you a link to where I got that long list of Sea Shepherd charges in the other thread, and gave the link to you twice, here it is for a third time, but if you were to read posts instead of just skimming them and ranting Watson rhetoric, you would know this.

LINK - BIG LETTERS SO YOU CANNOT MISS IT A THIRD TIME IRC WHALE .ORG THE SEA SHEPHERDS VIOLENT HISTORY.

Got it now?

I do not care what you think about my opinion of Watson and his band of pirates, all I care about is presenting facts to right the wrongs you keep posting. And really, I do not care what "means" something to you at all. You are a thug who does not know how to discuss a situation, only tackle it with violence, and you have shown this for your misguided support off the Sea Shepherd, all the while turning a blind eye to the very fact that even the International Whaling Commission has asked ousted them for their violent vigilante actions. The IWC does not want them on the waters, and I am certainly not the only Aussie who wants this band of pirates removed from making a bad situation worse.


Do you honestly believe for one second that the Sea Shepherds antics will stop whaling? Even after 35 years of failure to do so?

I did not call you a liar, I said you posted a lie. If it is your thoughts, or more rhetoric that you have stolen from Watson, I have no idea. But your information is wrong, and when you insist it is right, that is spreading a lie. Prove your claim rather than complaining that I do not accept it, as that is the right thing to do, but something you have been unable to accomplish.
The funny thing here is you are illustrating exactly what Watson  is about - TV. Millions at the wheelhouse?? LOL, sounds like you stole that from a Whale Whores TV ad or something. Posted Image

That is the one thing you are right about - millions of viewers, and money pouring in, again I ask, how much of that money goes to animal welfare?

For you, it's just a stupid TV show, I live here, make your dumb show someplace else.

View PostYamato, on 21 March 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

There are a million environmental issues out there to grab onto and defend.   Sea Shepherd can't be everywhere at all times to convince even every sofa lounging critic who has all the good ideas but utter impotence to do something with them.   I referred you to the 52 minute speech given by Paul Watson speaking on Animal Rights where he addressed all the other conservationists and all the other work that they're doing.  It's all important.  It's all worthwhile.  Nobody is doing everything but they're the ones doing what they can and that makes all the difference.

Everywhere at once indeed. You do realise the Sea Shepherd docks in Australia all the bloody time dont you?

Then why does Australia manage to fly under the conservation RADAR?  Why do we never get harassed  No you cannot be everywhere at once, but the Bloody Sea Shepherd is here all the damn time. I have seen the Steve Irwin myself docked at Brisbane Harbour. I did not realise what they were at the time, if I see them again I'lll be meeting them with a couple dozen rotten eggs. Let's see how they like being stinky because someone does not want them around.

The Labour/Green Government are covering for Watson, it would not shock me at all to find they enjoy massive kickbacks. It's a joke. The Sea Shepherd is often in Australia  and has parked close to Sea World, and not said Boo about captive Dolphins. Hell, Pam Anderson made a visit and had the time to pop into my local KFC to make a PETA ruckus, Watson is not even as pro active, or gutsy enough to take on the Aussie Government as is a girl.

It is plainly obvious that the Sea Shepherd does not poop in it's own backyard, so Australia gets a free conservation ticket. Politics, TV shows and money. That is what the Sea Shepherd society is best at manipulating, not whalers, the whalers just come back every year. Sea Shepherd seems good for growth in the whaling industry if anything.

View PostYamato, on 21 March 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

Physically blocking the factory ship from transferring whales has proven effective.   There's always new tactics, new weapons, new ideas that deserve consideration to shut these poachers down any non-violent way possible.  I've advocated building an "acid cannon" which incorporates an acid injector behind the barrel of the Steve Irwin's water cannon which can spray right through the protective multi-million dollar taxpayer netting on the Nisshin Maru and bathe the whale being processed on the flensing deck with taint.   Another idea I've advocated for is to record the sounds these whales are making when they're dying slow and torturous deaths from the illegal Japanese whale poachers' harpoons and blast them at all angles while escorting the disgusting Japanese whaling vessels.

No it has not proven effective, the whalers just trundle off someplace else and kill another whale, and come back again the next year, The only acceptable solution is to stop the whaling, not make it a TV Gameshow. If hauls are reduced by a certain amount one year, does that stop the Japanese killing again next year? It makes them more determined to up their defences and ENSURE they make future quotas. Watson knows this, and it is good for the TV show.
And you think that tainting a dead whale body is effective? What make you think they wont consider it part of the "quota" and just catch another? How will that affect the "quota"? That is just inciting the Japanese to try harder. Bloody stupid moronic idea, and bound to make Japan more determined. Is your only answer violence?

What do you have against negotiation, which has been proven effective on the past? Why do you not see the complete abstinence by Japan in 1987 as a ray of light? Why do you not want to try and fix what the US broke?

I can only fathom that you do not want to lose your favourite TV show. As far as I can see, that is what Whaling is to you, a TV show. I do not think you would know a minke from a blue, but you would know Paul Watson at 100 paces.

Advocated? Is that what you get for funding pirates is it? A chance to vote on what form of violence you will deploy to keep the Japanese coming back year after year? You must be very proud of yourself.

View PostYamato, on 21 March 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

They have an excellent series on Youtube called 'Meet the Crew' which I recommend for your viewing pleasure.   What other organization gives every employee the chance to speak out regardless of rank or role?   That is pure class.   Here's an episode.   Your "terrorists".  LOL

There is nothing classy about breaking the law and terrorism, nothing. What organisation? Do you vote? Do you work?
Maybe you just sit around and watch TV and give your benefits to terrorists while you bleed you parents, I do not know, and I do not care, but each time you post false information, I will correct it, so the real story is out there as well, not Watson's TV rhetoric. And the real story is uglier than Japanese Whalers. It's the graft and corruption behind making a buck from this sad situation, and keeping the show alive.

Yes terrorists, the law has made that decision, not me, it is the legal standing of Watsons crew and Watson himself. The International Whaling Commission has asked them to move on, they are not wanted, not by the Whaling Commission, not by many Aussies. Some just canot take a hint I suppose. But they are popular on the telly I grant. After all, it is what they are all about, and what they are best at.

I have said before, I do not care what Pirates, Terrorists and Politicians have to say in the subject, I base my opinion and stance on information provided by Marine Biologists. You know, people who devote their entire lives to this very subject and know more than the entire Aussie Government and Watson's crew tied together and folded over. AKA Experts in the field who are not biased by TV or politics. I really think they have a much better idea than Australian Green/Labor politicians, and a bunch of pirate come terrorists.

Read my sig too please.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:08 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 21 March 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

Did anyone ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right?

:tu:

Like the Sea Shepherd and Whaling.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:11 AM

Here is Paul Watson. The man speaks:



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Watson: “You see, the seal is very easy to exploit as an image. We have posters, we have buttons; we have shirts … all of which portray the head of the baby seal with tears coming out of its eyes. Baby seals are always crying because the salt tears keep their eyes from
freezing. But they have this image of ... they are baby animals; they are beautiful. And because of that, coupled with the horror of the sealer hitting them over the head with a club, it is an image which just goes right to the heart of animal lovers all over North America.”


Anyone who says he is not about manipulating the general public for profit is only kidding themselves. From the above link I left Yam if anyone is interested in reading more about the Sea Shepherds Violent History.

Edited by psyche101, 22 March 2013 - 02:13 AM.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:54 PM

Cant SS spend money on something else rather than buying ex coast guard ships and amouring them? I think we need to sink of all SS ships


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:44 PM

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Deer have it worse.   They typically take a shot or an arrow and then wander till they die.




Only if you're a bad shot. If you hit the right spot, the animal usually goes down quiet quick.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:12 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 March 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

1 - You are trusting the bureaucracy, you keep quoting Aussie Pollies who have not a clue about territory, and keep citing some made up boundary. The map provided shows Australia's territorial waters, please show where they have been breached by placing marks on the map
2 -  What country? Are you an Aussie?
3 - You are telling Japan how they should live, and what they can do, this is how the US managed to get us into the situation we are in right now.
4 - The Whalers are not poachers, that is just emotional rhetoric. They are breaking no laws, or they would not be on the Oceans, they take advantage of a loophole. On the other hand, the Sea Shepherd is breaking laws and do not have the right to terrorise others. Rules are rules, wether you agree with them or not.



I am not getting personal with you, I would not even know you if I tripped over you in the street, I am pointing out that your information is false. If you take that personally, that is not my problem. You did post a lie, and I gave examples of where you did, and why. I also gave you a link to where I got that long list of Sea Shepherd charges in the other thread, and gave the link to you twice, here it is for a third time, but if you were to read posts instead of just skimming them and ranting Watson rhetoric, you would know this.

LINK - BIG LETTERS SO YOU CANNOT MISS IT A THIRD TIME IRC WHALE .ORG THE SEA SHEPHERDS VIOLENT HISTORY.

Got it now?

I do not care what you think about my opinion of Watson and his band of pirates, all I care about is presenting facts to right the wrongs you keep posting. And really, I do not care what "means" something to you at all. You are a thug who does not know how to discuss a situation, only tackle it with violence, and you have shown this for your misguided support off the Sea Shepherd, all the while turning a blind eye to the very fact that even the International Whaling Commission has asked ousted them for their violent vigilante actions. The IWC does not want them on the waters, and I am certainly not the only Aussie who wants this band of pirates removed from making a bad situation worse.


Do you honestly believe for one second that the Sea Shepherds antics will stop whaling? Even after 35 years of failure to do so?

I did not call you a liar, I said you posted a lie. If it is your thoughts, or more rhetoric that you have stolen from Watson, I have no idea. But your information is wrong, and when you insist it is right, that is spreading a lie. Prove your claim rather than complaining that I do not accept it, as that is the right thing to do, but something you have been unable to accomplish.
The funny thing here is you are illustrating exactly what Watson  is about - TV. Millions at the wheelhouse?? LOL, sounds like you stole that from a Whale Whores TV ad or something. Posted Image

That is the one thing you are right about - millions of viewers, and money pouring in, again I ask, how much of that money goes to animal welfare?

For you, it's just a stupid TV show, I live here, make your dumb show someplace else.



Everywhere at once indeed. You do realise the Sea Shepherd docks in Australia all the bloody time dont you?

Then why does Australia manage to fly under the conservation RADAR?  Why do we never get harassed  No you cannot be everywhere at once, but the Bloody Sea Shepherd is here all the damn time. I have seen the Steve Irwin myself docked at Brisbane Harbour. I did not realise what they were at the time, if I see them again I'lll be meeting them with a couple dozen rotten eggs. Let's see how they like being stinky because someone does not want them around.

The Labour/Green Government are covering for Watson, it would not shock me at all to find they enjoy massive kickbacks. It's a joke. The Sea Shepherd is often in Australia  and has parked close to Sea World, and not said Boo about captive Dolphins. Hell, Pam Anderson made a visit and had the time to pop into my local KFC to make a PETA ruckus, Watson is not even as pro active, or gutsy enough to take on the Aussie Government as is a girl.

It is plainly obvious that the Sea Shepherd does not poop in it's own backyard, so Australia gets a free conservation ticket. Politics, TV shows and money. That is what the Sea Shepherd society is best at manipulating, not whalers, the whalers just come back every year. Sea Shepherd seems good for growth in the whaling industry if anything.



No it has not proven effective, the whalers just trundle off someplace else and kill another whale, and come back again the next year, The only acceptable solution is to stop the whaling, not make it a TV Gameshow. If hauls are reduced by a certain amount one year, does that stop the Japanese killing again next year? It makes them more determined to up their defences and ENSURE they make future quotas. Watson knows this, and it is good for the TV show.
And you think that tainting a dead whale body is effective? What make you think they wont consider it part of the "quota" and just catch another? How will that affect the "quota"? That is just inciting the Japanese to try harder. Bloody stupid moronic idea, and bound to make Japan more determined. Is your only answer violence?

What do you have against negotiation, which has been proven effective on the past? Why do you not see the complete abstinence by Japan in 1987 as a ray of light? Why do you not want to try and fix what the US broke?

I can only fathom that you do not want to lose your favourite TV show. As far as I can see, that is what Whaling is to you, a TV show. I do not think you would know a minke from a blue, but you would know Paul Watson at 100 paces.

Advocated? Is that what you get for funding pirates is it? A chance to vote on what form of violence you will deploy to keep the Japanese coming back year after year? You must be very proud of yourself.



There is nothing classy about breaking the law and terrorism, nothing. What organisation? Do you vote? Do you work?
Maybe you just sit around and watch TV and give your benefits to terrorists while you bleed you parents, I do not know, and I do not care, but each time you post false information, I will correct it, so the real story is out there as well, not Watson's TV rhetoric. And the real story is uglier than Japanese Whalers. It's the graft and corruption behind making a buck from this sad situation, and keeping the show alive.

Yes terrorists, the law has made that decision, not me, it is the legal standing of Watsons crew and Watson himself. The International Whaling Commission has asked them to move on, they are not wanted, not by the Whaling Commission, not by many Aussies. Some just canot take a hint I suppose. But they are popular on the telly I grant. After all, it is what they are all about, and what they are best at.

I have said before, I do not care what Pirates, Terrorists and Politicians have to say in the subject, I base my opinion and stance on information provided by Marine Biologists. You know, people who devote their entire lives to this very subject and know more than the entire Aussie Government and Watson's crew tied together and folded over. AKA Experts in the field who are not biased by TV or politics. I really think they have a much better idea than Australian Green/Labor politicians, and a bunch of pirate come terrorists.

Read my sig too please.
The link starts out "Founding member of Greenpeace, Paul Watson..." and you're contesting that Paul Watson is a founding member of Greenpeace.   So every letter of every source of information that's negative or critical of Sea Shepherd is true, but I should reject the positive stuff as untrue, and if I circulate anything positive about them, I'm a "liar".  Got it.

Sea Shepherd is a privately owned non-profit organization that doesn't rely on bureaucracy to tell them what to do, or where to get their marching orders.  Saying that I'm trusting in a bureaucracy is the height of confusion.  I'm the one that's not trusting the bureaucracy that's why I'm supporting "pirates" because I don't believe a word the bureaucracy says, especially the whaling bureaucracy.

I'm telling Japan to get out of Australian waters.  As a self-described Aussie, you don't even know where your own sovereign territory is.  Denying what Australia officially recognizes as sovereign Austrlian territory makes you look demented.  And it has nothing to do with me personally or some political party, or a few "idiot" Australian politicians.  It's your entire country.   You're a person, clueless of what your country recognizes as its own territory.  You have a very unpopular opinion.  It's detestable.  Trying to force it down my throat isn't going to change my mind. Getting personal and calling me a liar has ruined your credibility.  

If Sea Shepherd are "terrorists" then why doesn't your government go out to arrest them?  Why are they allowed to refuel and take up supplies in port?   Why Is Peter Bethune a free man?  Your claims ring hollow when your own government is at odds with every foolish claim you make.   You're a talking head of the whaling establishment.  Shameful.

The whalers are breaking the letters of laws, the spirit of laws, they have no respect for Australian sovereignty, violating the AAT, the Australian EEZ, the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, the global moratorium, refueling below 60 degrees.  They only respect their own laws, their own quotas, their own opinions.  And you think that Japanese law applies in your own waters.  

Stop pretending this has been adjudicated.  Stop pretending that your poorly-formed opinions are the legal last word.   Your country has taken Japan to court.  Do you understand that?   When that case is decided, then you can come run your mouth about how legal Japan is.   When we actually read the laws concerning this issue, it doesn't look good for Japan at all.  There is a legal basis for enforcement in the World Charter for Nature, it just burns your rear end that someone is actually acting on it instead of just thinking they're empty words that nobody can do anything about but sit on their hands and lie and deny that the law doesn't exist.

The rest of your flatulence getting personal with me is and will be ignored.  It doesn't matter to me what political labels, names you call Sea Shepherd.  Calling a non-violent organization that never killed anyone in 36 years "terrorists" makes you look confused in the eyes of your own country.   If you hate Sea Shepherd so much, scrape yourself up off your couch and go blather to your own gubmint officials who are letting them get away with such "terrorism".  In the meantime, the subsidized whaling fleet is going to continue getting its yearly spanking no matter how hard you cry about it.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:26 AM

I'm just wondering, what scientific research is Japan conducting where it needs to kill 900+ minke, and 50+ fin whales a year for, 10...15 years? If you are killing the whales for food, which they are, then call it that. If the Japanese are actually doing research and need to kill this many whales, then I think they suck at research.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 01:41 AM

the sad thing about all this is its not actually about "whales" not really

it's about trade barriers, deficits, industrial sector employment strength, economic percentages,

it is all financial numbers in digital smoke and mirrors

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