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#16    S2F

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:35 PM

View Post1963, on 02 March 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

Hi there old friend. :tu:

As always, your opinion is well sought and regarded by people such as me,...but could you please specify the "little more tangible" part S2F?....I wasn't just trying to start another toing and froing that we have seen on the threads a million times before, ...it's just that I truly am interested in finding out, just how the differing discerning process works in other people's minds.


Cheers Buddy.

Perhaps something that could be directly studied and verified by the scientific community?

The evidence for visitation so far is good enough to start with as far as investigation goes however by itself it isn't conclusive. Which brings up the problem of investigation to begin with. How is something as unpredictable and fleeting as UFO's going to be scientifically investigated and researched? It's not like we can build a lab and invite the UFO's (whatever they may be) in for a bit of a poke and prod. We could make the 'lab' mobile and chase down UFO sightings however that introduces a whole new set of problems. Needle in a haystack would be an understatement. It is certainly a hurdle that I would like to see overcome one day.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 12:59 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 02 March 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

Perhaps something that could be directly studied and verified by the scientific community?

The evidence for visitation so far is good enough to start with as far as investigation goes however by itself it isn't conclusive. Which brings up the problem of investigation to begin with. How is something as unpredictable and fleeting as UFO's going to be scientifically investigated and researched? It's not like we can build a lab and invite the UFO's (whatever they may be) in for a bit of a poke and prod. We could make the 'lab' mobile and chase down UFO sightings however that introduces a whole new set of problems. Needle in a haystack would be an understatement. It is certainly a hurdle that I would like to see overcome one day.

Ok, thanks for making your stance clear S2F. :tu: .You need physical evidence in your hand.

And I totally concur that the problems with conducting a comprehensive scientific investigation are enormous,..in fact without any 'known and available' artefact to authenticate, it is a practically impossible task! And so without spending the next ten years or so debating whether there are items of extraterrestrial origin secreted away from 'all but the few chosen individuals' [as we no doubt are of differing opinion on this ] all that is left for you and I to form an opinion is ...the things that I listed in my post to Lilly. [and probably a few things that slipped my mind]...ie..the validity and competency of the witnesses..RADAR readings,...the few traces of landings etc.
And contrary to the belief that some people would like to instill to the general populace...though I am a firm supporter of the ETH, I am not in the habit of endorsing 'just any and all' of the claimed 'genuine UFO/ET cases' no matter how silly...I do in fact consider myself a pretty sceptical believer!, and the cases that I would advocate as probable ETH related, are relatively very few indeed!
The reason for this is that I routinely dismiss the obviously false claims , and habitually cogitate prosaic scenarios for the remaining 'decent cases presented', and am thereby in the position of weighing up the most likely probabilities of the event as I see them, and then am able to opine whether a report is probable, possible, improbable, unlikely or even nonsense!

For example, I hate to bang on about the Father Gill case, [as we already have a thread on it,.. but it is an obvious grade A case to site as it is still fresh in my mind]...I just know that you will be familiar with the case, and with the quality and quantity of all of the witness testimony. And please humour me by acting out the roles of both , firstly... an extra witness to the event that has just seen the incidents unfold alongside Father Gill etc,...and then report your account to me as you would done in that circumstance!...and then if you would be so good as to reverse roles and give your opinions of what a witness had reported to you about the events, as if you were the reports-clerk for the case that was asked for an opinion of validity!.

if you do not wish to comply...it's ok!...but if you do it, then i'll get back to you later because it is bedtime here and i'm bushed!

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:14 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 02 March 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

This is large enough forum to get people of all beliefs.
Not just the "aliens built the pyramids" but "there are no aliens, they're daemons" to "fossils are lies by Satan". The lack of emoticons (smilies) made people think you were being series.
Extraterrestials are deamons? hmm... the problem is deamons are invisible and extraterrestials are.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:27 AM

Posted ImageStarMountainKid, on 02 March 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

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I think the ET hypothesis arises because what other rational explanation is there? I'm sure there are other explanations besides ET, but for me, ET seems to be the most reasonable.

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I understand that, but coming to that conclusion is making an argument from ignorance. "I don't know what it is, therefore it's aliens".

I see your point and accept your criticism, but aren't we all arguing from ignorance? I just think the ET hypothesis is more rational than the angel hypothesis, for instance. I could be wrong, of course.

I suppose the jump to the ET connection is the easiest jump to make, and I fall into that connection easily, too. Maybe ufo's are angels in disguise. Maybe that's how they travel from Heaven to Earth, in supernatural space ships. As you correctly pointed out (if I'm not misunderstanding you),  this conjecture is as valid as any other within our ignorance of any factual knowledge.

Edited by StarMountainKid, 03 March 2013 - 01:30 AM.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:38 AM

View Postdreamland, on 02 March 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:


Lol...You think too,i was for real? Whats wrong with you people today.

I think you should apply this question to yourself.

Do so after re-reading the UM rules here:

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:43 AM

View Post1963, on 02 March 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:



Do you require me to produce an actual downed flying saucer and it's unfortunate crew?....Well sorry...I can't find one of those!. :no: ...but i'm still working on it!.. :whistle:

That would certainly be "definitive".

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seriously though Lilly....i'm really not sure what more you need?

Oh, I don't need the whole flying saucer, just a piece of alien technology, some alien DNA, open public contact between ET and humans... any of those will do nicely.




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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:01 AM

Well, I'm a proponent of the Interdimentional Beings theory of UFO's/Aliens.. But that's not to say that there is no possibility that they are Extra Terrestrial. So I guess it all fit's nicely into that little Grey area between awake and asleep if you view the subject from a outsiders perspective. There are of course 3rd party sightings of this Phenomena, but in so many cases the actions of UFO's or ET's don't conform to our physical 3-d level of laws, so again, it points towards being extra-dimentional, and not nessisarily extra-terrestrial from our perspective..

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