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#16    aztek

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:24 PM

View PostRockabyeBillie, on 06 March 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

We don't have a tradition of eating horses in the USA...
there is such tradition, not wide spread, i saw it on hisrtory channel, was surprised my self, but hey, if you didn't encouter it personaly does not mean it never happens.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:33 PM

View Postaztek, on 06 March 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

there is such tradition, not wide spread, i saw it on hisrtory channel, was surprised my self, but hey, if you didn't encouter it personaly does not mean it never happens.

I'm sure it happens in some places but most Americans are appalled by the thought. It's not a tradition.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:57 PM

View Postaztek, on 06 March 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

there is such tradition, not wide spread, i saw it on hisrtory channel, was surprised my self, but hey, if you didn't encouter it personaly does not mean it never happens.

Mmmmm love me some horse meat!! yummy ;)


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:07 PM

View PostRockabyeBillie, on 06 March 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

I'm sure it happens in some places but most Americans are appalled by the thought. It's not a tradition.
it is for those that eat them. i never said most americans eat horses, i said there is a tradition.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:17 PM

The kid died of hypothermia, and was partially eaten by dogs.

I think the real concern should be the out of control alcholism that affects these reservations.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:14 PM

View Postsupervike, on 06 March 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

I think the real concern should be the out of control alcholism that affects these reservations.

True

I don't know why so many of them have drinking problems. Even though it's definitely a cruel stereotype, more often than that it's true.  Sadly, you don't hear many success stories from Native Americans other than running business like casinos or those high interest payday loan services.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:16 PM

View PostRockabyeBillie, on 06 March 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

We don't have a tradition of eating horses in the USA...
  Don't tell that to Burger King, or Taco Bell.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:42 PM

If you don't mind me asking redhen, why is there are a problem with drinking and child neglect on the reservation? Is it the conditions of the reservation itself or is it something else, may I ask? If you don't mind, I'm interested in the sociological aspects. Part of the reason why is I regularly get mail asking for donations to certain Indian schools, and your answer could help me decide to whom to give. Thanks.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:56 PM

View PostGummug, on 06 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

If you don't mind me asking redhen, why is there are a problem with drinking and child neglect on the reservation? Is it the conditions of the reservation itself or is it something else, may I ask? If you don't mind, I'm interested in the sociological aspects. Part of the reason why is I regularly get mail asking for donations to certain Indian schools, and your answer could help me decide to whom to give. Thanks.

Well, I might be able to help at least in Canada. Back in the day, the government forcibly removed children from there families and there communities and placed them in Schools run by nuns. There was much abuse, and even death, in these schools. Now these children learnt English and where punished for anything that dealt with there culture (such as language, etc). Well this system was eventually abolished and the government has apologized but it didn't correct the issue. Anyway, these children where raised by the system with no self identity. This nearly destroyed First Nations culture which is now only beggining to recover (in part thanks to youth involvement). When finaly they had kids, many of them didn't know how to raise them, and there only experience was being beaten, etc. So many transferred this onto there own children.

Now for Drugs and Alcohol some of it is to drowned out the pain of this experience, others because it is boring in these communities. But most of it has to do with the human body doesn't have the same natural ability to process alcohol as other humans. This was due to their late exposure to Alcohol. So First Nations people are more susceptible for addiction to these substances because the body is not able to break down alcohol as easily (at least thats what a doctor told me).

Anyway, I'm not First Nations, however my son is.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:01 PM

View Postancient astronaut, on 06 March 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

Don't tell that to Burger King, or Taco Bell.

That's not even meat, that's beans and sand! lol

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:17 PM

it is?!?!?! than it isn't that bad.

i always thought i tasted rubber when i ate BK.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:23 PM

View PostRockabyeBillie, on 06 March 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

That's not even meat, that's beans and sand! lol

It's actually just pressed meat flavored saw-dust.

Quit trying to scare people.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:27 PM

Thank you Thanato for your explanation. That goes a long way to help me understand. Knowing that, I am much more inclined to try and give to the Indian schools (as long as they're not run by nuns lol). I think the U.S. did the same thing, taking the children away at a young age.  :(

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:41 PM

View PostGummug, on 06 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

If you don't mind me asking redhen, why is there are a problem with drinking and child neglect on the reservation? Is it the conditions of the reservation itself or is it something else, may I ask? If you don't mind, I'm interested in the sociological aspects. Part of the reason why is I regularly get mail asking for donations to certain Indian schools, and your answer could help me decide to whom to give. Thanks.

It's only been 200 years or so since many Indian tribes were lifted out of the stone age. Things take time. This is going to sound harsh but, warfare, starvation and disease acted as Malthusian traps. Now with modern medicine, peace and ample food supplies, Indians have become the fastest growing segment of Canada. They simply are not used yet to living in modern civilization. Thus you see out of control diabetes, obesity, alcoholism and drug addiction. There simply are no jobs in many reserves and I can fully understand the frustration of the youth.

The federal government disperses huge sums of money to Indian bands along with millions from casino revenue.

Here's an example of one reserve that's been in the news lately over accounting problems. Let me be clear, people are people no matter what ancestry they have. However, Indians have been given a free pass from the government, no doubt because of legitimate, historical grievances.  The news story above explains how millions of dollars are unaccounted for while band members live in absolute squalor. The chief and her boyfriend, who happens to be the band financial administrator refuse to account for this money, kicking out any reporter who trespasses on their land. The government will not press for fraud charges because it's politically incorrect.  This chief has resorted to "hunger strikes", road blocks of a nearby diamond mine (which employs 100 band members) and pleading to the U.N. to do something. Being responsible is not of the things she has tried though.

It's much the same across the nation. Ruling clans hold all the power and money. There is plenty to go around but greed and corruption impedes any progress.

Unfortunately, it's those with no voice who suffer the most, children and animals. Because of the ubiquitous alcoholism and addictions, children are left to be raised with grandmothers, but many, too many, end up in foster homes. The majority of foster children in Manitoba for example, are Natives.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:11 PM

Thanks, Redhen, that is a very sad situation...I wish something could be done. Your explanation and Thanato's both hold a lot of valuable information and I thank you both again. I pray this situation becomes better...
Just a final word, if I may...it looks like this is a wide-spread problem, too much power in the hands of too few (of the wrong) people.  :(

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