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[shrooma]

http://rt.com/news/n...ear-strike-935/
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if this is just sabre-rattling, then the size of the sabres just got a whole lot bigger!

[Lilly]

'Talking the talk' and being able to 'walk the walk' are two different things.

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Military experts say North Korea is years away from developing a long-range missile and a nuclear warhead to attack mainland US.

(from the link posted)

If NK ever did managed to pull off such an attack the retaliation would be extensive.

[Frank Merton]

And a lot of innocent North Koreans would die.  Let us do things to prevent things from ever getting to that point.

[Lilly]

Frank Merton, on 07 March 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

And a lot of innocent North Koreans would die.  Let us do things to prevent things from ever getting to that point.

Exactly why the current thought is to prevent certain countries from developing nuclear capabilities.

[libstaK]

I feel like I live in a sea of mental human waste when I read these kinds of things - what level of ever escalating propaganda has caused their leaders to lose their capacity to reason rationally?

[shrooma]

http://ca.reuters.co...E92607P20130307
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I wouldn't be too sure about them being 'years away' lilly.....

[ExpandMyMind]

libstaK, on 07 March 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

I feel like I live in a sea of mental human waste when I read these kinds of things - what level of ever escalating propaganda has caused their leaders to lose their capacity to reason rationally?

The Korean War is what has led to this stage. I don't like the NK leaders, but what the U.S. did to their country was barbaric. I mean they blew up dams (a war crime of the highest regard) and literally bombed most of their cities (or large towns) into dust, killing millions. There was actual U.S. policy to destroy whole towns and cities ('set them on fire' was the term used, I believe) with no other objective than to kill as many of them as possible.

It's no wonder there is a constant state of paranoia in the country. It would be like asking the Chinese to trust the Japanese after WW2 if the Japanese hadn't been forced into disarming. The Chinese can't even do that to this day, with a relatively neutralised Japan.

Then there are the focused embargoes and sanctions that have helped (along with the leaders) induce famine and poverty among the civilians of the country, all because they don't adhere to capitalism. I don't agree with the North Korean leadership, but I do, in some way, understand their stance.

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 07 March 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[AsteroidX]

cool. do they have internet yet. Ill send them email. squadush !! Ill take that to the bank

[libstaK]

ExpandMyMind, on 07 March 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

The Korean War is what has led to this stage. I don't like the NK leaders, but what the U.S. did to their country was barbaric. I mean they blew up dams (a war crime of the highest regard) and literally bombed most of their cities (or large towns) into dust, killing millions. There was actual U.S. policy to destroy whole towns and cities ('set them on fire' was the term used, I believe) with no other objective than to kill as many of them as possible.

It's no wonder there is a constant state of paranoia in the country. It would be like asking the Chinese to trust the Japanese after WW2 if the Japanese hadn't been forced into disarming. The Chinese can't even do that to this day, with a relatively neutralised Japan.

Then there are the focused embargoes and sanctions that have helped (along with the leaders) induce famine and poverty among the civilians of the country, all because they don't adhere to capitalism. I don't agree with the North Korean leadership, but I do, in some way, understand their stance.

Thanks for that, I really did not know the cause that much - never paid much attention in history class to the Korean War tbh.

So then this is a reckoning for the things we do and did, the longer it's left to simmer the more ripe the result - woe us all, we create crazy people and carry on as if we are wise.

[shrooma]

http://news.xinhuane...c_132210623.htm
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a page with DPRK top brass stating that the korean armistice is over....

Edited by shrooma, 07 March 2013 - 12:30 PM.

[The New Richard Nixon]

China is not siding with North Korea this time, I think this is good and China could cut exports and aid to DPR Korea very severely

[Corp]

ExpandMyMind, on 07 March 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

The Korean War is what has led to this stage. I don't like the NK leaders, but what the U.S. did to their country was barbaric. I mean they blew up dams (a war crime of the highest regard) and literally bombed most of their cities (or large towns) into dust, killing millions. There was actual U.S. policy to destroy whole towns and cities ('set them on fire' was the term used, I believe) with no other objective than to kill as many of them as possible.

It's no wonder there is a constant state of paranoia in the country. It would be like asking the Chinese to trust the Japanese after WW2 if the Japanese hadn't been forced into disarming. The Chinese can't even do that to this day, with a relatively neutralised Japan.

Then there are the focused embargoes and sanctions that have helped (along with the leaders) induce famine and poverty among the civilians of the country, all because they don't adhere to capitalism. I don't agree with the North Korean leadership, but I do, in some way, understand their stance.

Sadly that's the way war was fought then. The same thing happened to Japan and Germany during the Second World War and yet both are allies of the US. The North Koreans were hardly guilt free in the war either so pinning all this on the US is just foolish.

And embargoes are put in because the Norks won't follow captialism? Really? That's a completely false statement and if you don't realise that then you really need to look past your own bias. North Korea could be helping its people by stoping to throw threats everywhere and actually use the aid they do get instead of spending all their money on their military. And last I checked China wasn't licking America's boots and yet they're not making sure everyone in North Korea is being feed. Russia doesn't seem to be stepping up either. So the people who have caused the suffering of the North Korean population are its leaders.

To be perfectly frank that smacks of trying to twist things around to somehow blame the US. You want to know who's the blame for the situation in North Korea then look no further than the rulers of that country. They are the ones who thought that 1984 was a good government model and kept their people as brainwashed peasants. They are the ones who are spending untold millions on their military instead of providing for the basic needs of their people. They are the ones who are endlessly making threats and have taken aggressive actions that could justifiable viewed as acts of war. The US has made some crappy foreign policy choices but dealing with North Korea is not one of them. They are not to blame for the current situation, Best Korea is.

[pallidin]

I've been reading the news on this, and all I can say is how long do we wait before NK becomes a viable and significant threat?

After all, as each year passes, they gain more technology and weaponry, and have publicly vowed to "fulfill a promise" to re-take SK.

On a positive tone, I am grateful to China for their current actions on this horrible situation.

Edited by pallidin, 07 March 2013 - 05:28 PM.

[Jeremiah65]

The recent threat to end the cease fire and then the threat to nuke the USA is just a cry for attention.  Their people are starving and they are jumping up and down and beating their chest to say "Pay attention to me!"

Their missile program is not historically successful.  yes they finally got one off after how many tries?  The biggest threat would be to S. Korea.  I am sure they could come up with a crude but effective delivery system for such a short distance.  I just don't think it is going to happen.

China is not going to allow a nuclear exchange on their border...they will do something before it escalates to that.  I would not be surprised to see China take "preemptive" actions against North Korea on their own first.  Invade them, dismantle their military and put a Chinese controlled gov in place.  I honestly believe that will happen before China allows a war to "fire up" on their borders and under their watch.

[pallidin]

Jeremiah65, on 07 March 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

The recent threat to end the cease fire and then the threat to nuke the USA is just a cry for attention.  Their people are starving and they are jumping up and down and beating their chest to say "Pay attention to me!"

Their missile program is not historically successful.  yes they finally got one off after how many tries?  The biggest threat would be to S. Korea.  I am sure they could come up with a crude but effective delivery system for such a short distance.  I just don't think it is going to happen.

China is not going to allow a nuclear exchange on their border...they will do something before it escalates to that.  I would not be surprised to see China take "preemptive" actions against North Korea on their own first.  Invade them, dismantle their military and put a Chinese controlled gov in place.  I honestly believe that will happen before China allows a war to "fire up" on their borders and under their watch.

Well said. I truly hope you're right.