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#1    Wolverathe

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

Hi guys,

I came across this forum a long time ago but didn't have much time to check everything out

I just read some of the OBE / Astral Projection topics

I have experiencing sleep paralysis for almost a year now. But I'm always too afraid to go for the next stage (OBE/AP)

When the first time I experienced SP (Sleep paralysis) I was just so scared and the latter ones I just let it be ...

But when i thought of something that thing immediately became true (I always thought of evils, ghosts, etc. waiting for me)
And what if there were really ones?

What should I do to overcome this fear? And will I end up meeting any devils while OBE if I think of them EVEN THOUGH i DON'T WANT TO see/meet them?


Thank you for taking your time... Thanks much and blessings !


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

I think whatever happens just as you think is caused by your imagination.Astral plane in my view,is when you enter the real world or spiritual world whilst at the same time you are dreaming.When you project,since your body is still active dreaming must also be there too,doesn't it make sense? Some times some find things things not real sometimes real as hell(one of the reasons why ap is still not unified with dreaming) .So imagining can cause you to view a dream scene or can induce a dream itself(the very principle of wiLD technique).So what i am saying is that it is a place where you stand between dreaming and reality.
Not a prototype's new theory or something :P,but my view.Hey while others like me are waiting for a chance like sp,you are just pausing there? What are you waiting for? Just try projecting

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:06 AM

SP is a defense against Sleep Walking so we don't hurt are self or others. Also we AP every night when we sleep to even if we don't remember it. So unless you dream about Demons and **** than chances are you won't see the Devil.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

View PostWolverathe, on 08 March 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

Hi guys,

I came across this forum a long time ago but didn't have much time to check everything out

I just read some of the OBE / Astral Projection topics

I have experiencing sleep paralysis for almost a year now. But I'm always too afraid to go for the next stage (OBE/AP)

When the first time I experienced SP (Sleep paralysis) I was just so scared and the latter ones I just let it be ...

But when i thought of something that thing immediately became true (I always thought of evils, ghosts, etc. waiting for me)
And what if there were really ones?

What should I do to overcome this fear? And will I end up meeting any devils while OBE if I think of them EVEN THOUGH i DON'T WANT TO see/meet them?


Thank you for taking your time... Thanks much and blessings !
Part of an altered state practice should also be a meditation practice. Meditations will teach you to control and observe your thoughts. To acomplish things OOb it's is necessary to leave the chatter behind and be singularly focused on your task.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:56 PM

Thank you everyone

I know it's only my imagination but I can't help it...

@Seeker79 : you're right... thank you ... you just made me realize that I need to meditate...
But i'm having some problems with meditation ... Can you show me what is a good/best way to meditate?
Because everytime I try to meditate - I focus on breathing ... inhale ... exhale... inhale... exhale ... then I ...fall asleep ...

Please help me . Overcoming fears is the only thing that blocked me from astral projecting ... Thank you


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:25 PM

I've posted this somewhere else but I can repeat it:

When you project (this information does not come from MY experience, but from readings and discussions with people who have projected) there are low vibration entities "waiting" for you when you come out.  However, entities are nothing but mindless leeches that only want to feed off energy.  Just simply dismissing them (saying "shoo!" or "go away!" ) will raise your vibration and send them away, they're nothing to fear. The only way to come in contact that is incredibly dangerous is inviting it in or to look for it.  It's by nature that we fear something we don't understand so it's 100% understandable to have some sort of fear when first learning/trying astral projection.

However, fear can draw in dangerous entities (don't let this scare you though) so its best to find out what you're afraid of, research it, meditate on it, and overcome it.  I was once afraid of entities waiting for me right as I left my body, but you have to understand when you project you are COMPLETELY in control.  You can literally "shoot" white loving light at entities or beings that cause you to be afraid.  It sounds cool when thinking about it, and it's a very helpful way to think about it.  I suggest trying to lucid dream and face fear that way some how. That way you know what your fear is, and you can conquer it without any harm being done. Good luck!


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:54 AM

View PostWolverathe, on 16 March 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

Thank you everyone

I know it's only my imagination but I can't help it...

@Seeker79 : you're right... thank you ... you just made me realize that I need to meditate...
But i'm having some problems with meditation ... Can you show me what is a good/best way to meditate?
Because everytime I try to meditate - I focus on breathing ... inhale ... exhale... inhale... exhale ... then I ...fall asleep ...

Please help me . Overcoming fears is the only thing that blocked me from astral projecting ... Thank you
Well... There are all sorts of meditations, you can even create your own. I have crated an endorphin meditation. My suggestion is to pick up some books and start reading and see what speaks to you. Any meditation will be good for mental control. As to fear. Well it's easer said than done, but the trick is to simply give it up. Consider it a bad habit and just let it go.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:06 PM

View PostRedNova, on 17 March 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

I've posted this somewhere else but I can repeat it:

When you project (this information does not come from MY experience, but from readings and discussions with people who have projected) there are low vibration entities "waiting" for you when you come out.  However, entities are nothing but mindless leeches that only want to feed off energy.  Just simply dismissing them (saying "shoo!" or "go away!" ) will raise your vibration and send them away, they're nothing to fear. The only way to come in contact that is incredibly dangerous is inviting it in or to look for it.  It's by nature that we fear something we don't understand so it's 100% understandable to have some sort of fear when first learning/trying astral projection.

However, fear can draw in dangerous entities (don't let this scare you though) so its best to find out what you're afraid of, research it, meditate on it, and overcome it.  I was once afraid of entities waiting for me right as I left my body, but you have to understand when you project you are COMPLETELY in control.  You can literally "shoot" white loving light at entities or beings that cause you to be afraid.  It sounds cool when thinking about it, and it's a very helpful way to think about it.  I suggest trying to lucid dream and face fear that way some how. That way you know what your fear is, and you can conquer it without any harm being done. Good luck!
yes in astral travel /obeing, like lucid dreaming,y ou are totally in control. But if you do not realise this, your subconscious may materialse fears in symbolic shapes and forms within your dream obe or travel.

There are a couple of options One can be  to be absolutely certain th t nothing can harm you. Then you can just say "This is my dream/ OBE/ astral adventure. I am the boss here and you  are all under my control.

If tha tis too hard to start with, all you require is a symbolic defence like an energy shield. Or you can utilise offensive weapons if this more suits your nature.  This requires a little less confidence and control.  These can be the beams of light you speak of or anything else you are comfortable and familiar with.  You still have to be confident both consciously and subconsciously, or your fears can slip inside yourr defences or cause oyur weaposn to malfunction. Eventualy it doesnt even become an issue because you are in such total control of your  experience
For example, I was dreaming last night that i went through a bus window and was hanging onto a door trying to get inside the moving bus.I suddenly realised that, in real life i couldnt just go through a window without smashing it, so i knew i was dreaming. I immediately said to the bus driver," This is my dream and you are a part of it" He wouldnt believe me, so i said, "Watch this." and slowly pushed my index finger through the palm of his hand.  This caused no pain or blood, and was fascinating to watch,  and he agreed it must be a dream.

From then on i took charge of the dreamscape and played around with it for an hour or so, just having fun with different scenarios  Like making the bus fly us throughthe air to our destination,  and 'surfing" on top of the moving bus. I also took a few of the students on the bus for some joy rides and gave them some basic lessons in flying your body and controlling it.
This was just controlled lucid dreaming, but OBEing and,  IMO, astral travel, is much the same .

Edited by Mr Walker, 18 March 2013 - 02:09 PM.

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Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

I'll add a bit of caution. Something that mw alluded to. Your fears are indeed you. Which also means that you/they know what gets you and where you are weak. In this way they can take a life of their own. I have found that if you mechanism your resistance to fear, you will evenchually think your way around your mechanation. I think this why dream caracters will sometimes turn on people upon becoming lucid.  It has certainly happened to me.

I have found that simply surrendering fear and waveing it off as nothing has better results than thought form tools against manifestations. In essence attack your fears at their base instead of reacting to the manifestation itself. Just refuse to play the game and go about your business.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:23 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 18 March 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

I'll add a bit of caution. Something that mw alluded to. Your fears are indeed you. Which also means that you/they know what gets you and where you are weak. In this way they can take a life of their own. I have found that if you mechanism your resistance to fear, you will evenchually think your way around your mechanation. I think this why dream caracters will sometimes turn on people upon becoming lucid.  It has certainly happened to me.

I have found that simply surrendering fear and waveing it off as nothing has better results than thought form tools against manifestations. In essence attack your fears at their base instead of reacting to the manifestation itself. Just refuse to play the game and go about your business.
Yes i agree. Ultimately the most effective method is "simply" not fearing, either consciously or subconsciously One can truly put all fear so far aside that it ceases to exist. However this requires a high degree of self awareness  and the ability to recognise and remove subconscious fears and concerns.

Not all "monsters" are the result of fear. Some are avatars of more complex subconscious constructs like jealousy or emotional conflict etc.

The most classic i had was as a pre teenager. In my dreamscape I had a praetorian guard of giant rabbits to protect me. One day they turned on me because I had broken a contract with them (my subconscious) I had spoken to other kids about my dream world after promising to keep it a secret.

The guards tried to shoot me full of arrows But I just told them they were my constructs and they couldn't hurt me in my dream scape . Then the leader said something interesting like, "FAir enough but we can ban you form this world" and they did After years of occupying this wonderfula and creative fantasy world i  was never able to enter it again Of course i realised that this was my own subconsciouss way of telling me tha  my long interlude with a childhood dreamworld was coming to an end. I wa s becoming an adolescent, going to high school and it was time to put behind my chidllhood dreams. I was complicit in a subconscious, and then conscious, realisation that my childhood was ending and it was time to evolve, and i had subconsciously'instructed" the guard to end my time in my first dreamscape

SO, i constructed a new and more adolescent -appropriate dreamscape  which i called "The realms" where I had years more fun .

Edited by Mr Walker, 18 March 2013 - 10:31 PM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:46 PM

That's awesome.

I had a dream character turn on me once. Her face contorted when I turned lucid. Then I grabbed her by the arm and put her in time out scolding her like one of my kids. I explained to her that it was my dream and I wasn't going to tolerate any of that behavior.  

Another time I woke up in sleep paralysis with what felt like claws around my legs. Haveing gained a measure of altered state control over the years, I reach down with my mind and took control over them and made them give me a foot massage. I fell back asleep chuckling at myself.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 11:58 AM

Hey guys ... Another problem now . Please help . I just met a group of meditation group today , and maybe i have been become overwhelming with the materials, or im too excited maybe ... I drank an icecap at late night . Then i went to sleep . As for me , sleep paralysis happen spontaneous and whenever i lay down on my bed , after a minute or so i can feel my whole body tingling . And it could become a sleep paralysis (when begin to sleep not after sleep for long time) . Hence i was so afraid of having 1 (im not ready yet) . My body is tired but my mind is full of energy . I kept thinking while falling asleep and it occurs.  SP when i dont want it to occur . I tried to think positive , then i saw some energy and then i rolled up . I saw myself out of body , i went around the room then back to body and sp -> woke up . The point is i knew it was just mental projection or lucid dream not really ap yet. It lied between . Now im too afraid to sleep and result is i didnt sleep at all . What should i do now to control that sp ? Please advice . Thanks all ,.. Im in a state now i think im crazy and this is not really healthy ...


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:52 PM

View PostWolverathe, on 22 March 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

Hey guys ... Another problem now . Please help . I just met a group of meditation group today , and maybe i have been become overwhelming with the materials, or im too excited maybe ... I drank an icecap at late night . Then i went to sleep . As for me , sleep paralysis happen spontaneous and whenever i lay down on my bed , after a minute or so i can feel my whole body tingling . And it could become a sleep paralysis (when begin to sleep not after sleep for long time) . Hence i was so afraid of having 1 (im not ready yet) . My body is tired but my mind is full of energy . I kept thinking while falling asleep and it occurs.  SP when i dont want it to occur . I tried to think positive , then i saw some energy and then i rolled up . I saw myself out of body , i went around the room then back to body and sp -> woke up . The point is i knew it was just mental projection or lucid dream not really ap yet. It lied between . Now im too afraid to sleep and result is i didnt sleep at all . What should i do now to control that sp ? Please advice . Thanks all ,.. Im in a state now i think im crazy and this is not really healthy ...
If its being disruptive to your life then you should take a break from thinking about it.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:05 AM

I'm not surprised with the timing of this post..

View PostWolverathe, on 22 March 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

I saw myself out of body , i went around the room then back to body and sp -> woke up . The point is i knew it was just mental projection or lucid dream not really ap yet. It lied between . Now im too afraid to sleep and result is i didnt sleep at all . What should i do now to control that sp ? Please advice . Thanks all ,.. Im in a state now i think im crazy and this is not really healthy ...

So how do you know it was in between considering your first post?  What makes you think it wasn't an 'out of body experience'?

Here is some information you might find interesting.  It might give you a new way of considering things which might even relax you.

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The Link Between OBEs and Lucid Dreams





Our scientific understanding of the OBE strongly suggests that it is a type of lucid dream. It's no coincidence that out-of-body induction techniques are virtually identical to Wake Induced Lucid Dreams. They are virtually the same phenomenon: An OBE/WILD begins when you're lying down, ideally having recently woken from a sleep. The body then slips back into sleep paralysis (the protective mechanism which prevents us from acting out our dreams) and the body falls asleep. However, unlike in normal sleep, the mind (your conscious awareness) remains awake.


This can give you the unusual sensation of being "stuck" in your physical body, with the need to free yourself. In reality, you are already dreaming. However the sensation of sleep paralysis, plus the continuation of consciousness, tricks your body into dreaming that you are still lying in bed. Your bedroom may look exactly as normal - or there may be subtle differences, such as an extra window. At this stage, with the conscious mind active while dreaming, we call it lucid dreaming. The experience can be highly tactile and vivid. Lucid dreamers will attest that it can feel incredibly real, and those who genuinely believe they are having an out-of-body experience will have a hard time admitting it's all "just a dream".


To complete the transition, you need to use your imagination to swing, float or roll out of your body, which still feels like lead thanks to the sleep paralysis. Other dream characters (often perceived as ghosts, spirits, aliens or even demons) may enter your bedroom and can either help or hinder your efforts. Their behavior generally depends on your own expectation and level of fear / happiness. It is also possible to "teleport" out of your body and directly into a new dream scene / OBE location. Just visualizing the desired location can lead to instant OBE travel.


Often during the WILD technique, it is possible to bypass the whole experience of going out-of-body by visualizing the lucid dream scene before you start dreaming. With your eyes closed, focus your attention on your hypnagogia and let go of any bodily sensation whatsoever. Many people find this a much smoother transition. For step-by-step instructions, see my WILD tutorial.



Astral Projection



Astral projection (or astral travel) is an esoteric interpretation of the out of body experience that assumes the existence of a spirit.

The symptoms are much the same as an OBE: feelings of floating out of your body, meeting other entities, and experiencing the physical world from an ethereal perspective (ie, being able to float through walls and teleport around the universe).


However, the expectation principle can cause the experience of astral projection to take on a highly spiritual form. Believers in the afterlife expect to see angels, deceased spirits and even gods - and so that is often what they do see while projecting. They may travel to different "astral planes"; layers of ethereal realities shaped by energy and light. Yet one key similarity remains: in astral projection, out of body experiences and lucid dreams, your thoughts and feelings guide the experience.


So if you imagine a friend's house, you will likely zap there in an instant. If you imagine your body back in bed, you will quickly return to it. And if you expect to see an astral chord connecting you to your body, it will doubtless be there. In my view, astral projection is just a spiritual interpretation of the OBE, and I have no reason to believe it is actually true.


As you read more about OBE phenomena, you will encounter esoteric theories in support of life after death and astral travel. My advice is to remain skeptical until you have enough personal experience to decide for yourself. This is one scenario where believing in ghosts and ghouls will almost certainly deliver negative experiences, so it's wise to keep a cool head and take your out-of-body dreams for exactly what they are - dreams! Intense, vivid, inspiring, profound, spiritual. But dreams nonetheless!


Taken from here. http://www.world-of-...xperiences.html


Anyway in regards to your question..


View PostWolverathe, on 22 March 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

As for me , sleep paralysis happen spontaneous and whenever i lay down on my bed , after a minute or so i can feel my whole body tingling . And it could become a sleep paralysis (when begin to sleep not after sleep for long time) . Hence i was so afraid of having 1 (im not ready yet) . My body is tired but my mind is full of energy . I kept thinking while falling asleep and it occurs.  SP when i dont want it to occur  What should i do now to control that sp ? Please advice . Thanks all ,.. Im in a state now i think im crazy and this is not really healthy ...


Because English doesn't seem to be your first language I read this as you thinking it could become SP(that's why I underlined that). And because you kept thinking about it when falling asleep, it occurs when you don't want it to occur. (I hope I read that right)


So I guess a simple answer would be don't think about it.  And my advice would be to consider more logical explanations on what OBE's are. It might calm you down and help you get over your problems.



Edited by Kazahel, 23 March 2013 - 02:08 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 06:18 AM

View PostKazahel, on 23 March 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

I'm not surprised with the timing of this post..



So how do you know it was in between considering your first post?  What makes you think it wasn't an 'out of body experience'?

Here is some information you might find interesting.  It might give you a new way of considering things which might even relax you.

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Taken from here. http://www.world-of-...xperiences.html


Anyway in regards to your question..



Because English doesn't seem to be your first language I read this as you thinking it could become SP(that's why I underlined that). And because you kept thinking about it when falling asleep, it occurs when you don't want it to occur. (I hope I read that right)


So I guess a simple answer would be don't think about it.  And my advice would be to consider more logical explanations on what OBE's are. It might calm you down and help you get over your problems.

What makes what you posted more logical?

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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