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Tories to consider leaving on Human Rights


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#16    Br Cornelius

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:51 AM

View Postxsas, on 11 March 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Most cases would not get another hearing in a court if it wasn’t for human rights rulings. People get banged up and then use the Human Rights as a another way out. People like Abu Qatada, sitting pretty with his family at the expense of the tax payer.
Abu Qatada is a classic example of someone who would be tortured if returned to Egypt. If he has committed a crime then he should be tried for that crime and put in jail - not sent to a  dodgy jurisdiction in order to get an inconvenient individual out of the way.

However this is all rather academic since this could only come to pass if the Tory party got into power with a clear majority next time. Its more posturing to the right wing fringe of the party in a vain attempt to win back some of the support which has hemorrhaged to UKIP. More hollow words since the Tories haven't got a cat in hells chance of winning anything other than the town hall bingo next election day.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 11 March 2013 - 11:55 AM.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:28 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 09 March 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

What possible reason could they want to scrap the human rights act

1)  The fact that the Human Rights (Of The Criminals) Act stands for the human rights of the criminals not the victims.  It is, for example, the act which stops scum like Abu Qatada being kicked out of the country and allows him to stay in Britain in a large house and new car paid for by the British taxpayer, the same British taxpayer that Qatada hates and wants Muslims to kill.  It's the act which stopped Britain kicking out an Iraqi ILLEGAL immigrant who knocked down a 12 year old girl whilst he was driving whilst disqualified and left her to "die like a dog" and who then went on to commit a string of further offences.  Immigration judges ruled that sending him home would breach his right to a ‘private and family life’ as he has now fathered two children in the UK.  They completely ignored, however, the right to a family life of the poor family who have lost their little girl.

2)  The government knows only too well that three quarters of the British people want Britain to pull out of the ECHR and the Human Rights (Of The Criminals) Act, so they know there are votes in it for them.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:47 PM

Why do we have to go to The Euro Courts of Human Rights everytime some scum foreign criminal shouts for help,then gets FREE Lawyer assistance to keep him in Britain all paid for by our taxes. Criminals should not have Human Rights,they didn't think their Victims had rights when they were committing the crime against them.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:12 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 11 March 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

Why do we have to go to The Euro Courts of Human Rights everytime some scum foreign criminal shouts for help,then gets FREE Lawyer assistance to keep him in Britain all paid for by our taxes. Criminals should not have Human Rights,they didn't think their Victims had rights when they were committing the crime against them.
Think about that when you next break the speed limit. We are all selective in the laws we follow so one day it might be you who is looking for a defence of your human rights.
Victims receiving justice and criminals recieving punishment are not incompatible - the law punishes the crime nothing more or less.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:39 PM

how about the notion of people earning their 'Human Rights' its only when people earn something they truly appreciate it. - give it them without toil and they'll never understand the quality, significance, or magnitude of what it is to earn anything. - when you can have a murderer standing next to the victims family and both are considered equal in terms of their human rights something as gone horribly wrong. in my view the murderer as forfeited their human rights, but then in my view never even earned it in the first place. but then in the land of the green eyed monster were everyone is dragged not up to the highest but the lowest common denominator then society is in serious trouble. and shows just how dangerous the human rights act is.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:53 PM

The murder may be equal in human rights terms - but he will still do his time for the crime he committed.
Your arguments don't really have any baring on the real need for protection from authority abusing your rights.

It strikes me that the real motive for all this is that politicians are in the line of fire for sanctioning extraordinary renditions and could very well end up in prison for that particular crime.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:51 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 11 March 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

Think about that when you next break the speed limit. We are all selective in the laws we follow so one day it might be you who is looking for a defence of your human rights.
Victims receiving justice and criminals recieving punishment are not incompatible - the law punishes the crime nothing more or less.

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