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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:36 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 12 March 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

Please note above in bold where you asked the question you claim you did not ask below ...


Many of those Google links are to articles posted by the media.

Both of these can be true at times.

I believe we do ask it of all parties, the Pope and Bishops the world over have condemned publically acts done by christians that were violent and caused harm.  I think if we remained silent it would be a very "Loud" silence, we only ask what we already do of other groups.  But, my experience is that these groups do respond in kind - it just may not always make a great headline for some media.

I am no holier than the least of men, guaranteed - the human condition is a shared experience, we are all learning.

I reconcile Burke and Christ very comfortably - Christ sacrificed his very life in a most violent fashion to ensure that his teachings would echo through the ages, he did not sit by and do nothing, he forgave the violence perpetrated upon himself and showed the depth of his love by his parting words "Father, forgive them they know not what they do".  Had he done nothing - he would not have entered Jerusalem but bypassed it and his fate to live a long peaceful life teaching in the country side instead.  Actions of good men take many forms.

I agree we see more of your version of faith in history.  However, I made the proviso "true faith", the true nature of faith is rarely found or upheld - refer to Jesus' faith and his final words again.

Yes exactly, the evolution of the spiritual man took a quantum leap in the new testament - we were ready to listen when someone spoke of love and not vengeance or the "eye for an eye" that dominated old testament thought.

Read Matthew 7:16
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?


I can understand that demanding someone to condemn another's act or judging another's failure to do so can be a dangerous game, yet the disappointment of the "deafening silence" will ring in people's ears nonetheless, we sometimes need the assurance of existence of moderate voices to allay our fears and stop us from making rash judgements on entire groups - fear will do that to people.  My position is that we do hear this and in spades, there is no issue and no need to ask it of every single person of a particular group, public statements by leaders who represent thousands or millions is all that is needed and, as part of these leaders duties, it is usually done anyway.
Please note above in bold where you asked the question you claim you did not ask below ...
That isn't the question you said I asked.   Read carefully.  The answer to my question is a resounding NO.  The answer to your question is a resounding YES because they're two different questions.

Many of those Google links are to articles posted by the media.
So?

Both of these can be true at times.
So at times they do instigate, we agree once again.

I believe we do ask it of all parties, the Pope and Bishops the world over have condemned publically acts done by christians that were violent and caused harm.  
All violence causes harm Libstak, that's what violence is.   There's plenty of violence that the Bishops don't condemn and shy of all the child molesting going on, nobody asks why they don't, when they don't.

I am no holier than the least of men, guaranteed - the human condition is a shared experience, we are all learning.
Then we should condemn violence that is a shared part of that shared experience.  Not ignore it when it's politically popular in our own state, or related to characteristics foreign to our own.

I reconcile Burke and Christ very comfortably - Christ sacrificed his very life in a most violent fashion to ensure that his teachings would echo through the ages, he did not sit by and do nothing, he forgave the violence perpetrated upon himself and showed the depth of his love by his parting words "Father, forgive them they know not what they do".  Had he done nothing - he would not have entered Jerusalem but bypassed it and his fate to live a long peaceful life teaching in the country side instead.  Actions of good men take many forms.
Forgiving the violent and turning the other cheek does not help prevent or end violence, and the reason why is because we don't have the carrot dangling on the string that Jesus did, that is, the promise of salvation.  Not doing nothing is pretty vague.  You can reconcile it with rhetoric in the general case.   You still haven't reconciled your position based on specifics of this topic.  Condemning people goes against Christ's instructions:  Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.   Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone.

I agree we see more of your version of faith in history.  However, I made the proviso "true faith", the true nature of faith is rarely found or upheld - refer to Jesus' faith and his final words again.
"True faith" is just words.  Everyone of faith thinks they have true faith.  That is, everyone thinks what they believe is true; that's what belief is.   The problem with the rhetoric "true faith" is that it's subjective impossible to prove.  What we do know for sure is that not everyone of different religions can have "true faith" because their beliefs are largely contradictory and incompatible.  Ergo, the conflict throughout history that differences between religious groups has fueled.  It isn't just history, it's ongoing to this day.

Yes exactly, the evolution of the spiritual man took a quantum leap in the new testament - we were ready to listen when someone spoke of love and not vengeance or the "eye for an eye" that dominated old testament thought.
We're not so enlightened today to the message of the New Testament that you think we are.   Old Testament justice has been far exceeded in violence by today's standards.  Modern day Israelis believe in 10 eyes for an eye or 100 eyes for an eye.  We're a terribly violent species Libstak, more so in the past 100 years than the prior 1900.

Read Matthew 7:16
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
So if any of these Jesus-wannabes gathered grapes or figs, that would make the difference in your belief?   Of course we're to beware of false prophets.  Jesus was another false prophet to many.  He was ridiculed and executed as a criminal.  The Jesuses in prison today aren't much different in that regard.

I can understand that demanding someone to condemn another's act or judging another's failure to do so can be a dangerous game, yet the disappointment of the "deafening silence" will ring in people's ears nonetheless, we sometimes need the assurance of existence of moderate voices to allay our fears and stop us from making rash judgements on entire groups - fear will do that to people.  My position is that we do hear this and in spades, there is no issue and no need to ask it of every single person of a particular group, public statements by leaders who represent thousands or millions is all that is needed and, as part of these leaders duties, it is usually done anyway.
Deafening silence isn't my position, that's your straw man.  My position is individuals should condemn all violence.   Not just the violence from those groups that are politically correct to condemn.  There's no need to ask it of every single person of a particular group, because the groupthink is the problem that causes the violence.  People need to spend more time and energy focusing on what brings us together, not politically correct differences that tear us apart.  Public statements by politicians are worthless.  It's just rhetoric.  Politicians universally say one thing and do the other; they're the most notorious of liars and not worth our faith.

"The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the Legislature.  The Executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question" ~ James Madison
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:04 PM

View PostYamato, on 12 March 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

Please note above in bold where you asked the question you claim you did not ask below ...
That isn't the question you said I asked.   Read carefully.  The answer to my question is a resounding NO.  The answer to your question is a resounding YES because they're two different questions.

Many of those Google links are to articles posted by the media.
So?

Both of these can be true at times.
So at times they do instigate, we agree once again.

I believe we do ask it of all parties, the Pope and Bishops the world over have condemned publically acts done by christians that were violent and caused harm.  
All violence causes harm Libstak, that's what violence is.   There's plenty of violence that the Bishops don't condemn and shy of all the child molesting going on, nobody asks why they don't, when they don't.

I am no holier than the least of men, guaranteed - the human condition is a shared experience, we are all learning.
Then we should condemn violence that is a shared part of that shared experience.  Not ignore it when it's politically popular in our own state, or related to characteristics foreign to our own.

I reconcile Burke and Christ very comfortably - Christ sacrificed his very life in a most violent fashion to ensure that his teachings would echo through the ages, he did not sit by and do nothing, he forgave the violence perpetrated upon himself and showed the depth of his love by his parting words "Father, forgive them they know not what they do".  Had he done nothing - he would not have entered Jerusalem but bypassed it and his fate to live a long peaceful life teaching in the country side instead.  Actions of good men take many forms.
Forgiving the violent and turning the other cheek does not help prevent or end violence, and the reason why is because we don't have the carrot dangling on the string that Jesus did, that is, the promise of salvation.  Not doing nothing is pretty vague.  You can reconcile it with rhetoric in the general case.   You still haven't reconciled your position based on specifics of this topic.  Condemning people goes against Christ's instructions:  Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.   Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone.

I agree we see more of your version of faith in history.  However, I made the proviso "true faith", the true nature of faith is rarely found or upheld - refer to Jesus' faith and his final words again.
"True faith" is just words.  Everyone of faith thinks they have true faith.  That is, everyone thinks what they believe is true; that's what belief is.   The problem with the rhetoric "true faith" is that it's subjective impossible to prove.  What we do know for sure is that not everyone of different religions can have "true faith" because their beliefs are largely contradictory and incompatible.  Ergo, the conflict throughout history that differences between religious groups has fueled.  It isn't just history, it's ongoing to this day.

Yes exactly, the evolution of the spiritual man took a quantum leap in the new testament - we were ready to listen when someone spoke of love and not vengeance or the "eye for an eye" that dominated old testament thought.
We're not so enlightened today to the message of the New Testament that you think we are.   Old Testament justice has been far exceeded in violence by today's standards.  Modern day Israelis believe in 10 eyes for an eye or 100 eyes for an eye.  We're a terribly violent species Libstak, more so in the past 100 years than the prior 1900.

Read Matthew 7:16
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
So if any of these Jesus-wannabes gathered grapes or figs, that would make the difference in your belief?   Of course we're to beware of false prophets.  Jesus was another false prophet to many.  He was ridiculed and executed as a criminal.  The Jesuses in prison today aren't much different in that regard.

I can understand that demanding someone to condemn another's act or judging another's failure to do so can be a dangerous game, yet the disappointment of the "deafening silence" will ring in people's ears nonetheless, we sometimes need the assurance of existence of moderate voices to allay our fears and stop us from making rash judgements on entire groups - fear will do that to people.  My position is that we do hear this and in spades, there is no issue and no need to ask it of every single person of a particular group, public statements by leaders who represent thousands or millions is all that is needed and, as part of these leaders duties, it is usually done anyway.
Deafening silence isn't my position, that's your straw man.  My position is individuals should condemn all violence.   Not just the violence from those groups that are politically correct to condemn.  There's no need to ask it of every single person of a particular group, because the groupthink is the problem that causes the violence.  People need to spend more time and energy focusing on what brings us together, not politically correct differences that tear us apart.  Public statements by politicians are worthless.  It's just rhetoric.  Politicians universally say one thing and do the other; they're the most notorious of liars and not worth our faith.
Sounds like you are telling an entire species to "grow up and act right".  Good luck with that little task.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:22 PM

View Postand then, on 12 March 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Sounds like you are telling an entire species to "grow up and act right".  Good luck with that little task.
If we can't let go of collectivist mentalities like group-think, such as state-sponsored favoritism based on religion or ethnicity, we will remain the unwitting puppets of bigotry and hatred, of violence, war, and terrorism.  I don't think we're anywhere near as enlightened towards universal peace as Libstak so while you're liking her posts, you're telling me good luck?   I think you're confused.   If you really supported individual rights, individual liberty, and individual responsibility, you'd agree with me strongly.  But I know you don't, because if you did (and no matter what you say on the US Politics board) you wouldn't support foreign welfare, you'd agree with the fundamental principle that the individual knows better how to spend her own money than the nearest gangbanger in Washington DC.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:14 PM

View PostYamato, on 12 March 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

If we can't let go of collectivist mentalities like group-think, such as state-sponsored favoritism based on religion or ethnicity, we will remain the unwitting puppets of bigotry and hatred, of violence, war, and terrorism.  I don't think we're anywhere near as enlightened towards universal peace as Libstak so while you're liking her posts, you're telling me good luck?   I think you're confused.   If you really supported individual rights, individual liberty, and individual responsibility, you'd agree with me strongly.  But I know you don't, because if you did (and no matter what you say on the US Politics board) you wouldn't support foreign welfare, you'd agree with the fundamental principle that the individual knows better how to spend her own money than the nearest gangbanger in Washington DC.
I "liked" her posts because I agree with her sentiments. And it still sounds like you're saying the world needs to grow up.  It just seems a little arrogant and naive at the same time.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:49 PM

View Postand then, on 12 March 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

I "liked" her posts because I agree with her sentiments. And it still sounds like you're saying the world needs to grow up.  It just seems a little arrogant and naive at the same time.
That's not my sentiment.  I don't think the world lacks maturity, I think it contains too much bigotry and self-interest that makes peace impossible.  Mature adults are more self interested than kids are.  Kids can make their own fun with no material wealth at all; adults need material crap to feel their needs are being met.   Take a look at world history; events confer with my sentiments.  It's the furthest thing from naive.  You don't want to agree with me because you have the ethnic-group and religious-group interests that I'm talking about, so of course you're not going to like me exposing it.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:01 AM

View PostBlack Red Devil, on 12 March 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

I love how the Christian world looks down upon Muslims and scoffs at their "uncivilised behavior" at every opportunity from the top of their high mountain.  It's a pity that the biggest representation of them, Roman Catholics priests, Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptist Ministers, Episcopal priests, etc.covered up and failed to condemn thousands of child sexual abuse cases by their priests for decades, and still do.

So, to answer your question, a similar mindset can be found in all societies around the world where religious fanaticism, from all derivation, impacts on our daily lives and beliefs.

Coming from an Atheist, which country would you prefer to live in more?  One with a few pedophile priests whom you can insult and demand legal action from what they've done, or one where pedophiles can buy several child brides or you can be executed or incite riots over a single comment or lie due to level of religion zealotry that surrounds you?  Assuming your a man who's actually allowed outside to have some fun that is.

Your answer to this question is all the proof you need to how much worse one of these countries/religions is from the other.  It might just be their culture and not Islam though.


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:25 AM

View PostWickian, on 13 March 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Coming from an Atheist, which country would you prefer to live in more?  One with a few pedophile priests whom you can insult and demand legal action from what they've done, or one where pedophiles can buy several child brides or you can be executed or incite riots over a single comment or lie due to level of religion zealotry that surrounds you?  Assuming your a man who's actually allowed outside to have some fun that is.

Your answer to this question is all the proof you need to how much worse one of these countries/religions is from the other.  It might just be their culture and not Islam though.
Was slaughtering every man, woman and child in Jerusalem in the Crusades the true practice of Christianity?    There are passages in the Old Testament that suggest it was.   Someone else might provide the very best practice of Christianity, or at least the least violent, with the opinion that it is the true practice.   The paradox of joining the Old Testament with the New Testament is that there are two very profound and yet very opposing interpretations available from which to choose from.   Virtually any behavior can be justified through the Bible, Talmud or Qu'ran, subject to interpretation that they are.   I seriously doubt this was an historical oversight, but quite by design.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:31 AM

View PostYamato, on 12 March 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

That's not my sentiment.  I don't think the world lacks maturity, I think it contains too much bigotry and self-interest that makes peace impossible.  Mature adults are more self interested than kids are.  Kids can make their own fun with no material wealth at all; adults need material crap to feel their needs are being met.   Take a look at world history; events confer with my sentiments.  It's the furthest thing from naive.  You don't want to agree with me because you have the ethnic-group and religious-group interests that I'm talking about, so of course you're not going to like me exposing it.
Nope... I don't mind you stating any position or opinon you have - I just think they are naive.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:25 AM

View PostYamato, on 13 March 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

Was slaughtering every man, woman and child in Jerusalem in the Crusades the true practice of Christianity? There are passages in the Old Testament that suggest it was.   Someone else might provide the very best practice of Christianity, or at least the least violent, with the opinion that it is the true practice.   The paradox of joining the Old Testament with the New Testament is that there are two very profound and yet very opposing interpretations available from which to choose from.   Virtually any behavior can be justified through the Bible, Talmud or Qu'ran, subject to interpretation that they are.   I seriously doubt this was an historical oversight, but quite by design.

I'm not talking about hundreds of years ago.  I agree with you that Christianity was pretty brutal in the past.  The difference being it has changed and is just a nuisance(in some respects) now.  The Church doesn't have the power to burn women at the stake or torture them until they convert anymore, it's grown up and become a part of a mostly peaceful society now.  You'd have a hard time trying to find a large sect that promotes the brutal teachings of the past.

Islam in these countries is pretty much mild by comparison as well, it's the theocratic countries with a large population of conservatives that is smearing the entire religion.


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tribal/racial practices and power political interests hiding behind infallible laws of religion is bad news, regardless of whatever religion

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:41 AM

View Postand then, on 13 March 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

Nope... I don't mind you stating any position or opinon you have - I just think they are naive.
I don't mind you stating your opinion either, and I think that your opinion of supporting Zionist immigration policy while also believing that Armageddon is going to wipe out 2/3s of the world's Jews after they're shepherded into Israel means that you support policy that will lead to the mass extermination of Jews.  If we're taking a census survey Armageddon would make The Holocaust a small potato.  This isn't naive, this is so fundamentally flawed it's either the mother of all contradictions or a deliberate but well covered-up hatred.   Every time I think of a right-wing Zionist (i.e. a "Christian conservative"), I think of this song that was written for Ann Coulter who's just such an individual.  


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 04:07 AM

View PostWickian, on 13 March 2013 - 02:25 AM, said:

I'm not talking about hundreds of years ago.  I agree with you that Christianity was pretty brutal in the past.  The difference being it has changed and is just a nuisance(in some respects) now.  The Church doesn't have the power to burn women at the stake or torture them until they convert anymore, it's grown up and become a part of a mostly peaceful society now.  You'd have a hard time trying to find a large sect that promotes the brutal teachings of the past.

Islam in these countries is pretty much mild by comparison as well, it's the theocratic countries with a large population of conservatives that is smearing the entire religion.
Don't I have to hear it from the g/f's family every time I sit down with the "in-laws"!  Every dinner time is another liberal secular rant about Erdogan's Islamic reforms, lament for the military party rule, and avoidance of anything taboo that might set off an argument (criticism of their glorious leader Ataturk, the Armenian genocide, calling anything "Greek" like Greek yogurt, or in any way mentioning the Battle of Vienna).

These regimes smear the entire religion because that's how we paint them up, as representing the entire religion.  How many times did I hear the language: "Islam, a religion of peace? Ha!"  We're totally insulated from theocracy and yet can't be compelled to reassess our foreign policies that put our people in danger and killed 3,000 of our countrymen.   For others who don't have a separation of church and state, we must continue our failure of bribes and bombs, because the money changers must have their war.  If the 20th and 21st century were any guide, it doesn't take religion to instigate violence, it's just one of the old fashioned shticks with which to do it.

I mention the effects religion has on peoples' minds going back hundreds of years with the understanding that I'm talking with other poster(s) who take nearly 2,000 year-old scripture as God's infallible truth, and as the reason for having their positions and even for supporting foreign policies in the Middle East today.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 08:45 AM

View PostWickian, on 13 March 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Coming from an Atheist, which country would you prefer to live in more?  One with a few pedophile priests whom you can insult and demand legal action from what they've done, or one where pedophiles can buy several child brides or you can be executed or incite riots over a single comment or lie due to level of religion zealotry that surrounds you?  Assuming your a man who's actually allowed outside to have some fun that is.

Your answer to this question is all the proof you need to how much worse one of these countries/religions is from the other.  It might just be their culture and not Islam though.

You're asking me to chose between the two of the lesser evils?  Now why would I do that when I'm trying to avoid the stigmatisation of one society over the other.  Neither are perfect and at the center of these imperfections there is a common denominator called religion, or rather, the patsies having their strings pulled by higher powers under the name of religion.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 09:05 AM

View PostYamato, on 13 March 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

I don't mind you stating your opinion either, and I think that your opinion of supporting Zionist immigration policy while also believing that Armageddon is going to wipe out 2/3s of the world's Jews after they're shepherded into Israel means that you support policy that will lead to the mass extermination of Jews.  If we're taking a census survey Armageddon would make The Holocaust a small potato.  This isn't naive, this is so fundamentally flawed it's either the mother of all contradictions or a deliberate but well covered-up hatred.   Every time I think of a right-wing Zionist (i.e. a "Christian conservative"), I think of this song that was written for Ann Coulter who's just such an individual.  

Yes, the wars and wrath of the end times will make EVERY WAR that ever came before seem mild by comparison.  I support what I believe.  You support the safe, majority view point that allows you to judge others from a safe distance.  I think you enjoy calling the fire down on those God Himself has chosen.  You and those like you will pay a heavy price for it some day Yam.  If it makes me a "hater" to declare that message then so be it.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:03 AM

View Postand then, on 13 March 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

Yes, the wars and wrath of the end times will make EVERY WAR that ever came before seem mild by comparison.  I support what I believe.  You support the safe, majority view point that allows you to judge others from a safe distance.  I think you enjoy calling the fire down on those God Himself has chosen.  You and those like you will pay a heavy price for it some day Yam.  If it makes me a "hater" to declare that message then so be it.
Safe majority view?   Netanyahu got 30 standing ovations from the entire Congress in one speech.   Wake up.

Please inform me of where I have ever "called the fire down on those God himself has chosen".   And you slip a personal threat in to boot!   Me and those like me?  Who is "like me", and what are you threatening is going to happen to me?

The truth hurts and then, it's a painful fact that your policy views will maximize Israeli deaths.  Join me in opposing Zionism and saving lives when you start to think logically about this issue instead of stubbornly remaining blinded by "faith".  Consider it a permanent invitation for when you are finally able to admit it.   Until then, I don't care what you say about me.   I am certain you recognize the deadly consequences your opinions will cause; sometimes unfortunately having a heart and ending suffering and stopping violence can't compete with the false God of nationalism, war, and foreign welfare.

"The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the Legislature.  The Executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question" ~ James Madison
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