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#1    Corp

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:36 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-argentina.html


So only three people voted no to keep ties with British in a 92% voter turnout. This should be the end of it but seems Argentinan government still refuses to see the writing on the wall. Frankly their repeated claims of imperialism is rather ironic since they want to take over the islands against the wishes of the locals.

Edited by Corp, 12 March 2013 - 03:53 PM.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:43 PM

It's clear that the President of Argentina does not care about the people, now what is she going to do? say the vote was rigged?


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:51 PM

The funniest thing is this piece of logic, of the kind usually seem from proponents of the "we never went to the moon" and suchlike conspiracies:

[from the Beeb]:

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"Writing in Clarin, a popular daily newspaper in Argentina, former cabinet chief Rodolfo Terragno said the people of the Falkland Islands had "proved Argentina right".
"Great Britain can no longer say the inhabitants of the Falklands are a third party in the Anglo-Argentine conflict. The islanders have confessed they are British," he wrote.
"They cannot decide which of the two countries is right. They would be judge and jury."
So the population should have no say in deciding, because they'd be biased?
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Edited by Lord Vetinari, 12 March 2013 - 03:52 PM.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:12 PM

YAY!!!!!!  


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:33 PM

View PostCorp, on 12 March 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

This should be the end of it but seems Argentinan government still refuses to see the writing on the wall.

I wouldn't worry about that.  Once a few RAF Typhoons and Royal Navy Daring-class destroyers - the world's most powerful air defence destroyers - shoot down a few of their balsa wood planes, they'll start to see sense.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 12 March 2013 - 04:33 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:27 PM

View PostCorp, on 12 March 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-argentina.html


So only three people voted no to keep ties with British in a 92% voter turnout. This should be the end of it but seems Argentinan government still refuses to see the writing on the wall. Frankly their repeated claims of imperialism is rather ironic since they want to take over the islands against the wishes of the locals.

Not real familiar with the history of the Falklands but if you settle your people in an area and force the locals to leave, then claim that the inhabitants want you to rule the place, it seems a bit disingenuous to me. Sounds like what the British did in Northern Ireland, or what the Americans did in the US. But, as I said, I'm not too familiar with their history so perhaps that isn't the case in the Falklands.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:37 PM

View PostBama13, on 12 March 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

Not real familiar with the history of the Falklands but if you settle your people in an area and force the locals to leave, then claim that the inhabitants want you to rule the place, it seems a bit disingenuous to me. Sounds like what the British did in Northern Ireland, or what the Americans did in the US. But, as I said, I'm not too familiar with their history so perhaps that isn't the case in the Falklands.

Enlighten me as to what "locals", apart from a few penguins, were on the islands when the British claimed and settled them?

And, going by your argument, the Argentineans should go back to Spain and give the land back to the Guarani.  Because the Spanish (the Argentinians) cannot settle in an area and then force the locals to leave, after all.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 12 March 2013 - 05:39 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:38 PM

View PostBama13, on 12 March 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

Not real familiar with the history of the Falklands but if you settle your people in an area and force the locals to leave, then claim that the inhabitants want you to rule the place, it seems a bit disingenuous to me. Sounds like what the British did in Northern Ireland, or what the Americans did in the US. But, as I said, I'm not too familiar with their history so perhaps that isn't the case in the Falklands.
I don't know if you're referring to the british or the Argentinas, but there was no native population there at all when the first settlers landed. It was discovered (probably) by a British in 1690, and the first settlers were actually from France. Then the Spanish set up a colony but then left again, (they probably didn't like the weather), and a permanent colony was finally established by the British in the 1840s. read the full exciting story of the remarkably complicated history of La Isla Bonita- I mean malvinas here! --> http://en.wikipedia....alkland_Islands

Edited by Lord Vetinari, 12 March 2013 - 05:38 PM.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:42 PM

I admitted that I didn't know a lot about the Falklands, and that what I wrote might not be the case there. Apparently it is not the case there. Thanks for the info.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:43 PM

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 12 March 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:



I wouldn't worry about that.  Once a few RAF Typhoons and Royal Navy Daring-class destroyers - the world's most powerful air defence destroyers - shoot down a few of their balsa wood planes, they'll start to see sense.

Yup the type 45 destroyers are the most advance in the world, argentinas armed forces as a whole suck!

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 12 March 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

I don't know if you're referring to the british or the Argentinas, but there was no native population there at all when the first settlers landed. It was discovered (probably) by a British in 1690, and the first settlers were actually from France. Then the Spanish set up a colony but then left again, (they probably didn't like the weather), and a permanent colony was finally established by the British in the 1840s. read the full exciting story of the remarkably complicated history of La Isla Bonita- I mean malvinas here! --> http://en.wikipedia....alkland_Islands

You've got your history wrong.

The British first established a colony on the islands in 1765 - BEFORE the Spanish arrived there and before Argentina even existed.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 12 March 2013 - 05:46 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:11 PM

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 12 March 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

You've got your history wrong.

The British first established a colony on the islands in 1765 - BEFORE the Spanish arrived there and before Argentina even existed.
Well, strictly speaking the French were there first. They say
In 1690, Captain John Strong of the Welfare en route to Puerto Deseado was driven off course and reached the Falkland Islands instead, landing at Bold Cove. Sailing between the two principal islands, he called the passage "Falkland Channel" (now Falkland Sound), after Anthony Cary, 5th Viscount Falkland, who as Commissioner of the Admiralty had financed the expedition. The island group takes its English name from this body of water.[18]
In 1764, French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville founded the first settlement on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, East Falkland.[19] In 1765, British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766.[20] Unaware of the French presence, Byron claimed the island group for King George III. Spain acquired the French colony in 1767, and placed it under a governor subordinate to the Buenos Aires colonial administration. In 1770, Spain attacked Port Egmont and expelled the British presence, bringing the two countries to the brink of war. War was avoided by a peace treaty and the British return to Port Egmont.[21]

if we really want to be pendantic.

Edited by Lord Vetinari, 12 March 2013 - 08:20 PM.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:17 PM

see Argentina has no claim


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 04:21 AM

So Britain retains a paltry scrap of what was once a feast the sun never went down on.   Pass me a flag and hand me a Kleenex.

The actual history of the Falklands from the beginning:
http://en.wikipedia....ds#15th_century

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 05:30 AM

The Argintians are nucking futs.

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