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Shape-Shifting Jesus in Ancient Egyptian Text

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 07:23 PM

Jesus appeared before a large crowd of faithful followers. He removed his robe and draped it over a cage containing a rare white tiger. He spoke the holiest of words, pulled back the robe and lo, the tiger had disappeared. In it's place was a scantily clad woman with blond hair and very large breasts.
His followers took this as a sign that he was truly the Son of God.


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 07:33 PM

Jedi mind tricks!


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 08:14 PM

View PostLava_Lady, on 13 March 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Jedi mind tricks!

Jesus mind tricks.


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:03 PM

shapeshifter thing is rubbish as is this text most probable it was judas. there is mithra belief in jesus propagated by paul who never met jesus and was viled by jesus closest followers regarding his prophet hood if israel could release those precious documents which they never will it will confirm his real mission especially the prophecies of the times were living in


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:25 AM

View Postzaroaster, on 13 March 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

shapeshifter thing is rubbish as is this text most probable it was judas. there is mithra belief in jesus propagated by paul who never met jesus and was viled by jesus closest followers regarding his prophet hood if israel could release those precious documents which they never will it will confirm his real mission especially the prophecies of the times were living in

Paul (whose original name was Saul) did indeed meet Jesus on the Damascus road (see text below). For proof I would offer his life prior to conversion and after. Prior he was venomously hateful to The Way (as early Christians were known) and felt it was blasphemy against God. He persecuted believers and had them put into prison, if not executed. He was there in approval at the stoning of Stephen, the first Christian martyr. After this encounter on the road he became the greatest proponent of Christ and Christianity of his day, writing some 3/4 of the New Testament. He was beaten, starved, stoned, jailed, ship wrecked, and finally executed for his faith. It is true he was not trusted at first by the other disciples, his reputation had preceded him. But after conversion and assurance by those who had seen his life change he was welcomed by them.

Acts ​9:1 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” 5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 01:13 AM

hoax:)


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:15 AM

It's funny that people call this unlikely to have happened or the discovery of these texts doesn't mean these event happened but alot of people believe what happened in the bible is really what happened.

Edited by IBelieveWhatIWant, 14 March 2013 - 05:20 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:28 AM

View PostIBelieveWhatIWant, on 14 March 2013 - 05:15 AM, said:

It's funny that people call this unlikely to have happened or the discovery of these texts doesn't mean these event happened but alot of people believe what happened in the bible is really what happened.
Why's it funny?  The texts in the Bible are less than a century removed from the event.  This new text is dated 800 years after the event.  Whether the events in the Bible happened or not, certainly you have to agree that an extra 700 years between the authorship makes it much less likely to contain any new information not already known about the actual events of the 1st Century AD.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:00 AM

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Why's it funny?  The texts in the Bible are less than a century removed from the event.  This new text is dated 800 years after the event.  Whether the events in the Bible happened or not, certainly you have to agree that an extra 700 years between the authorship makes it much less likely to contain any new information not already known about the actual events of the 1st Century AD.

The rubber stamp doesn't work in this case, since the document is uncontested as arising from the Alexandrian church, a Christian community continuously in witness (except for brief periods underground during persecutions) since apostolic times. When you get called on the decades-to-a-century delay of the canonical writings, you are quick to emphasize the reliability of oral tradition among a rag-tag bunch of competing free-lance Jesus preachers. You cannot turn around now and decry the reliability of a focused institutional transmitter of Jesus lore.

These are not "gospels" and would never have been confused for Gospels. The pseudonymous attribution is to a figure who was born centuries after Jesus, Cyril of Jerusalem, a Fourth Century peri-Nicene Orthodox homilist. Dude commented on Gospels, he didn't write new ones, and this document which commemorated him came centuries after he had died.

Doctrinally, the Copts are Nicene but not Chaldean. That's an important detail in understanding these sermons: they believe that Jesus suffered and died under Pontius Pilate, just as much as any other Nicene Christian. They do, however have distinctive ideas about how Jesus' person managed to combine a divine and human nature in one being.

The sermons as a whole are full of matters of Alexandrian flavor. The phoney headline "shape shifting" baloney refers to Origen (Contra Celsum Book II, "chapter" 63 and 64), a late Second and early Third Century Alexandrian apologist.

He wasn't "confused," as you suggested in an earlier post, he was answering Celsus' objection about who received post-Resurrection visits. Origen's answer was that Jesus' earthly mission was all of one piece, and had always featured selective appearances, not because Jesus shifted shape, but because other people differed in what aspects of him they could experience.

Origen's argument may make little sense to a Chalcedon-adopter like yourself, maybe, and that's why you thought he was confused. However, Origen's argument makes a great deal of sense in the context from which would arise the distinctive christology of Alexandria. I do think that his extending the notion to Judas' band of merry men was a strecth on Origen's part, but the point he was stretching wasn't so very unreasonable in and of itself.

Bottom line: "Oh, they're confused, poor dears, and they lost the plot centuries after the fact" simply doesn't apply to the Alexandrian church. Nor does it make any sense to treat sermons about the Gospels as if the semons were supposed to be new Gospels.

Of course, in rebutting this specific instance of your ever-ready "relative delay" argument, I do not mean to concede that it is otherwise a reliable guide to truth. It doesn't apply here, that's the hitch. How much it helps when it does apply is another controversy for another thread.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:03 PM

paul was related to the roman goverment before and after his demonic vision believed and propagated his own brand backed by the goverment that jesus was the son of god the close follower's of jesus who were with him understood his teachings were angered by paul preaching propaganda they never heard. paul himself said see how i persecuted the jews and profited out of there religion jesus teaching was monotheism like moses  iv come to fulfill not destroy the law.who new better the deciples who were with jesus or paul ? and while paul preached, jesus faithfull deciples were persecuted guess by who ? many gospels were burn't just because it wasn't paul version does that mean these gospels had no origin ? while being persecuted by paul and the roman goverment ? the infancy gospel of jesus gospel of st thomas etc,etc,


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:59 PM

jesus grew up and was taught in the most persecuted and the best community the Essene it's this bombshell teaching which in the dead sea scrolls that israel dosen't want to release propaganda has been used by the church the moment jesus died 325 council of nicea jesus declared father,son and holy ghost spurious verse which has been taken out of king james bible  and now the truth is coming out jesus refer's to himself as the son of man please don't mistake him as david icke why hide scriptures? we haven't even scratched the surface of the Qumran scriptures and all is hell break today's roman goverment is in tatter's the truth is coming out.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:09 AM

my father Jesus Christ fufilled all of his prophecies and soon he will be returning to take us home where will you be?


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:05 PM

I think the term shape shifter is misleading as it brings to mind some sci-fi horror movie monster, or atavistic fears from the days when we huddled around fires in the deep forests, and were scared of shadows.

However, that the son of Isis can appear in different forms is not surprising at all, in fact it is normal. He may appear before a group of people and each person may see a different manifestation. He exists through time and space, he can be any of his manfestations, youth or man or falcon, as the Sun or the Moon. People will see what he wants them to see or what they want to see. He is all in one, Ra-Horakhty-Aton, who as Horus allowed part of himself to be manifest in the mortal man you call Jesus. The truth, on my oath Posted Image


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:20 PM

"Paul (whose original name was Saul) did indeed meet Jesus on the Damascus road (see text below)." Really? You were there? The whole Jesus myth is nothing but a made up story by the church. I haven't seen any convincing evidence of a factual existence, it's all stories made up hundred of years after he supposedly died. Numerous historians were alive when he supposedly existed yet 0 wrote about him, because...he didn't exist.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:29 AM

Then the Jews said to Judas: How shall we arrest him [Jesus], for he does not have a single shape but his appearance changes. Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat coloured, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man ..."

   Some  Jews probably  did `nt know Jesus and what he looked liked.

Pilate did`nt condem Jesus to death, the Jewish priests did , Jesus was from a very rich family of Mary`s,and perhaps  Pilate was offered  money to see that Jesus did survive.

The disciples did`nt reconize  Jesus because of the damages to his body.





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