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#31    freetoroam

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:33 PM

View PostHilander, on 14 March 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

According to that list 80% of the people out there would qualify.
Well looks like I would be on the list, and I am not religious, am hard core anti big brother and as for stockpiling food!!! wow, 1357 tins of baked beans ready for the end of the world should put me top of the list!


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:39 PM

You planning an extended stay in a cave eating baked beans?


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 March 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Those are nice enough quotes I suppose, but ignore reality.  You might be careful with all the Burke quotes: someone may look him up.

Um, what the heck is wrong with Edmund Burke?? Ever read his "Reflections on the Revolution in France"? He was a supporter of the American Revolution and he DID NOT support the French Revolution because of the bloodshed. It made him pretty unpopular among many people.
Winston Churchill, in "Consistency in Politics", wrote about Burke:


On the one hand [Burke] is revealed as a foremost apostle of Liberty, on the other as the redoubtable champion of Authority. But a charge of political inconsistency applied to this life appears a mean and petty thing. History easily discerns the reasons and forces which actuated him, and the immense changes in the problems he was facing which evoked from the same profound mind and sincere spirit these entirely contrary manifestations. His soul revolted against tyranny, whether it appeared in the aspect of a domineering Monarch and a corrupt Court and Parliamentary system, or whether, mouthing the watch-words of a non-existent liberty, it towered up against him in the dictation of a brutal mob and wicked sect. No one can read the Burke of Liberty and the Burke of Authority without feeling that here was the same man pursuing the same ends, seeking the same ideals of society and Government, and defending them from assaults, now from one extreme, now from the other.


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The same applies to identifying terrorists, especially when there is present in the country a religious belief in the value of guns

Yes, Frank, we all have altars full of guns and bullets, and every Sunday we bow before it.... :nw:
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:18 PM

As was I.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:47 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 March 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Since I'm digging a hole here, let me dig it a little deeper.  Was anything ever really changed by an election?  You replace one political party in power with another, and eventually it swings back.  It's really the same government with different actors with slightly different leanings, but overall trends continue.

I like the candor Frank. :yes:   You are digging yourself into a hole, just as Stellar has already done.  Stellar claims that crowds are calling for armed revolution, but can name nobody, and nobody here claims to be advocating for it.  So far, that hole is bigger than yours.

Nobody wants violence and bloodshed, but the history of mankind shows that they are part of life and the human condition.

Everybody I know just wishes that there was actually a difference between democrats and republicans.  How simple things would be if there were a difference!

Most people would like it if the electoral system actually brought change, but that's a pretty idealistic situation.

Of the ballot box and the jury box, I think the latter can bring more change than the former.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

They "Blanket Policy" like this, so they can do whatever they want, to whoever they want. Without question.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:27 PM

I am proud to be on that list. That is a list of who is American.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:35 PM

People talk about terrorism as if it's something new ..  it's older than civilization. Characteristics of a terrorist?   A terrorist is any person who purposefully instills fear in another•   .. instills fear in others to advance some agenda or accomplish some purpose• That's an old one.

As for revolution ...  One of my dictionary's definitions:  "• a dramatic and wide-reaching change in the way something works or is organized or in people's ideas about it"

  That could pertain to changing the way our government works  .. the ways in which it is organized.. and  people's ideas about it. It might be possible to effect such changes non violently ?        eh.. Probly not.. lol

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:00 PM

View Postlightly, on 17 March 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

People talk about terrorism as if it's something new ..  it's older than civilization. Characteristics of a terrorist?   A terrorist is any person who purposefully instills fear in another•   .. instills fear in others to advance some agenda or accomplish some purpose• That's an old one.

My defintion of a terrorist is: Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion.
I am NOT suggesting violence, and neither are many others. We don't WANT an armed revolution. BUT, if you push people into a corner, they will ACT. Look at the French Revolution and Russian Revolution. The Irish against British occupation, and the Scottish fought against the British. When, you push people down long enough, they get mad, and they fight back. MY way of fighting back is through petitions, writing and emailing our Congressmen and Senators, and voting.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:01 AM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 14 March 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

Judging by that list, I would be classed as a terrorist (and I know for a FACT I am NO such thing), aswell as a lot of member's on this site also would be classed as a terrorist.......
IF the list is real, and they class people that believe in a new world order conspiracy, a terrorist, what make's all the non-believer's think that there is no such thing as a new world order ?

There are various sites with this info on them....

OMG.  I see myself in 7 of the 10 criteria!  But I don't want to be a terrorist!

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:03 AM

View PostHilander, on 14 March 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

According to that list 80% of the people out there would qualify.

I swear I'm harmless.  I'm just an old lady with a cat sanctuary.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:11 AM

View Postredhen, on 16 March 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

Laws are about to passed in the U.S. that would legally label people as terrorists if they surreptitiously videotape activities in slaughterhouses, or even if they donate to certain groups.


"(5) Specifies that any person, animal, or ecological terrorist
organization will be guilty of the crime of participating in or
supporting animal or ecological terrorism if he or she raises,
solicits, collects, or provides any person with material,
financial support, or other resources that will be used to
encourage, plan, prepare, carry out, publicize, promote, or aid
an act of animal or ecological terrorism or the concealment of or
an escape from an act of animal or ecological terrorism"

http://www.house.mo....pdf/HB2095I.pdf

Yup, I'm a terrorist, good thing I don't live in the U.S. anymore.

Oh-Oh  I guess I am an animal rights terrorist.  I donate money for animal rights.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:38 PM

View Postspayneuter, on 18 March 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

I swear I'm harmless.  I'm just an old lady with a cat sanctuary.

You could use them as "attack" cats, I suppose.... :w00t:


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:53 PM

Every now and then when I'm in the States and I'm with some who've had a few drinks to soften them up but not mushify them, I get challenged by how much better the US government is than the Vietnamese Communist "regime."  (This doesn't happen in other countries).

The matter ultimately settles into some debate about some form of freedom.  Usually it is free elections, since although Vietnam has elections they are symbolic.  Americans in my experience are generally a lot less happy with their government than are Vietnamese with theirs.  This is ironic, since Americans think they choose their government, and in fact they do, except that it is such a mass choice that no voice means anything, and mostly it is the party structures that choose the candidates, just as it happens in Vietnam.  (I think the reason Americans tend to be unhappy is that they have much higher taxes and a lot more military involvement around the world, so that both sides of the spectrum have things to be unhappy with).

The other forms of freedom -- of speech and religion and so on are usually based on misinformation about the situation today in Vietnam.  The same applies to economic freedoms.  The police in Vietnam are much more powerful and you don't have juries, you have tribunals, and they are not separate but part of the government.  As a result law enforcement is faster and more efficient, but I don't think less fair.


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