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#181    Yes_Man

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:42 PM

Has the *snip* been on?

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 09:05 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 20 May 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Has the *snip* been on?
not yet

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:45 AM

Folks, another reminder - not everyone who watches the tv show has read the books.  Please refrain from talking about events that haven't happened in the show.  We don't want to ruin the show for people who don't know what's about to come.  Thanks,

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:25 AM

Cersei is completely losing it.  I can't remember an episode where every scene she was trying to outdo herself with something even more shocking.   Tywin is right.  She lost control of her little devil a long time ago.  She didn't win the respect of her father and has little part to play in the legacy of her household.  She did have somewhat of a decent claim on her family's inheritance or so she would think, with Jaime devoted to the Kingsguard and unable to marry or inherit, and Tyrion being the wobbling monstrosity that she thinks he is.

Arya's now hanging out with one of the people from her Death List.  Maybe she'll be slower to dole out death and punishment from now on after she realizes her mistake in judgment based on her incomplete command of the facts.

Sansa's virtue is still intact the morning after her wedding night!   It's almost unbelievable she's remained pure the whole time granted what nightmares she's been through.

I think Lord Karstark was right, Robb lost the war when he married that girl.

Jaime's a good guy now!?  It's amazing what losing one's most important appendage will do to a man.   Just ask Varys!

Jon Snow knows something else too... how to use his tongue!   Not that he had any practice, he's just a natural I guess.   Ygritte was wrong about him.   Was seeing them kissing on the Wall together not the most epic scene in fantasy history?

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:49 AM

Good post Yamato

View PostYamato, on 21 May 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

Cersei is completely losing it.  I can't remember an episode where every scene she was trying to outdo herself with something even more shocking.   Tywin is right.  She lost control of her little devil a long time ago.  She didn't win the respect of her father and has little part to play in the legacy of her household.  She did have somewhat of a decent claim on her family's inheritance or so she would think, with Jaime devoted to the Kingsguard and unable to marry or inherit, and Tyrion being the wobbling monstrosity that she thinks he is.

You can almost see the venom dripping out of her.  A truly nasty and bitter woman.

View PostYamato, on 21 May 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

Arya's now hanging out with one of the people from her Death List.  Maybe she'll be slower to dole out death and punishment from now on after she realizes her mistake in judgment based on her incomplete command of the facts.

Arya's story becomes one of the most interesting IMHO.


View PostYamato, on 21 May 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

Sansa's virtue is still intact the morning after her wedding night!   It's almost unbelievable she's remained pure the whole time granted what nightmares she's been through.

I think Lord Karstark was right, Robb lost the war when he married that girl.

Sansa reminded us all she is only 14.  I think the age of his characters was a mistake on GRRM's part and he has said as much.  Dinklage's face when she said her age should get him another Emmy (is that the right award?  I am clueless on that stuff) just for that.  His performance was heartbreaking and when he stabbed the knife into the table I was as angry as him at the little monster.  Good lord that man can act.


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Jaime's a good guy now!?  It's amazing what losing one's most important appendage will do to a man.   Just ask Varys!
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View PostYamato, on 21 May 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

Jon Snow knows something else too... how to use his tongue!   Not that he had any practice, he's just a natural I guess.   Ygritte was wrong about him.   Was seeing them kissing on the Wall together not the most epic scene in fantasy history?

Poderick is the same story.  This seems to be something the directors enjoy dropping in the scene.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 04:59 AM

View PostMerc14, on 21 May 2013 - 01:49 AM, said:

Good post Yamato



You can almost see the venom dripping out of her.  A truly nasty and bitter woman.



Arya's story becomes one of the most interesting IMHO.




Sansa reminded us all she is only 14.  I think the age of his characters was a mistake on GRRM's part and he has said as much.  Dinklage's face when she said her age should get him another Emmy (is that the right award?  I am clueless on that stuff) just for that.  His performance was heartbreaking and when he stabbed the knife into the table I was as angry as him at the little monster.  Good lord that man can act.


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Poderick is the same story.  This seems to be something the directors enjoy dropping in the scene.
HBO shamelessly tosses sex and sexuality into so many scenes, but that's true in all of their series isn't it?

Dinklage is just amazing.  I don't think I've ever said that about an actor before.

Yeah, Cersei is a toxic character but she's enduring losses from all angles, loss of her power, her lover, her father, her son, her title, her legacy, her freedom to choose her life for herself.  How can you be the perfect queen when everything around you that you loved or counted on is crumbling around you?   I admired her for how well she tolerated Robert.  And if all that wasn't enough there's now a poisonous jealousy to contend with.  I think Margery is everything Cersei should be as queen but isn't.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:18 AM

I  agree with your whole statement but can't ever disagree with beautiful woman showing some skin, sorry, and the books are very sexual/ sensual in nature.  You have to read the books, Yamato, as I think you would enjoy them immensely.  Get a kindle and dig in, I think you will be happy with the purchase.  It won't, in any way, ruin the series.  They are immensely long , however and you won't have any answers.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:06 AM

Any thoughts on the latest episode? I'd like to discuss but I don't wanna spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it yet

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:13 AM

View PostMerc14, on 21 May 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

I  agree with your whole statement but can't ever disagree with beautiful woman showing some skin, sorry, and the books are very sexual/ sensual in nature.  You have to read the books, Yamato, as I think you would enjoy them immensely.  Get a kindle and dig in, I think you will be happy with the purchase.  It won't, in any way, ruin the series.  They are immensely long , however and you won't have any answers.
I read the books before the show.   They reveal truth that the show does not.   Take Jaime Lannister from episode one, season one.  He seems to flippantly toss Bran from the window when the fact of the matter is, if that kid squealed, Jaime was a dead man and the Seven have mercy on Cersei for what Robert would have done with her.   He also says "The things I do for love." which sounded so callous in the show, when the fact of the matter is, he really does love Cersei.  The only woman he's ever loved and the only woman he's ever had sex with his entire life.   The shows are finally revealing the complexity in these relationships and are finally showing the complexity of Jaime's character in a fuller light.   As enjoyable as the first three books were, book four was a big disappointment and I hear the same problems with five that I experienced in four, mainly the plot grinding to a crawl if not a halt despite the 1000 page lengths.   He either needs to write several times faster, or wrap this story up in a vastly accelerated plot than what he's decelerated into.   The shows are fast overtaking the books and unfortunately will never finish the story as these actors will be too aged to continue when the time comes (and Martin may well die before completing them).

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:23 AM

That's one of the things I fear, Martin dying before completing the series.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

Dear God that last episode had some awesome points.  Peter Dinklage is by far the star of the show, his acting is absolutely amazing.  His

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Amazing.  My only gripe - I was shocked how short the episode was.  It took me turning on the timer to note that 57 minutes had gone by. If I didn't sit through it, I wouldn't have believed it!  I would have sworn I'd been watching for 15-20 minutes only.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:38 AM

I've been on holiday so I was able to come back and watch three episodes in a row! Flew by though...

I've said it before but Daenerys army is awesome. Can't wait until she unleashes her power.

Robb Stark has been a huge letdown IMO. Making mistakes left, right and centre.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:19 AM

I missed the first 10 minutes, but I really enjoyed the last episode.  The last scene was especially great though, it had me sitting on the edge of the couch! And then yelling because...
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:41 AM

View Postsarah_444, on 22 May 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:

I missed the first 10 minutes, but I really enjoyed the last episode.  The last scene was especially great though, it had me sitting on the edge of the couch! And then yelling because...
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Yeah I was shouting the same thing at the TV...uhhh Sam, after you notice what just happened, pick that thing up, and take it with you!   I can understand they were both scared out of their wits especially with that flock of crows flying after them, but still.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:58 AM

View Postsarah_444, on 22 May 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:

I missed the first 10 minutes, but I really enjoyed the last episode.  The last scene was especially great though, it had me sitting on the edge of the couch! And then yelling because...
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Everyone at my house was yelling the same thing but I think he has a whole bag full of the obsidian or "dragonglass" weapons.  Anyways, I am glad Sam had his big day.

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