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Gobekli Tepe's Cosmic Blueprint

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#1    Andrew B Collins

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:56 PM

Hi, to everyone on the forum.

Just to let you know I have posted a brand new article on Gobekli Tepe's astronomical alignments, and their implications to the site's construction and original function. I would be happy for any comments or feedback. The link is:

http://www.andrewcol...les/Gobekli.htm


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:32 PM

hi andrew, thats a well written article IMO. The subject matter is very broad, however you offer credible ideas regards the alignment of the various sites over a time period relative to precession etc, carbon dating doesn't conflict at least.  Then the theories rgds the vulture symbology is likewise plausible, and cleverly referenced with ajacent neolithic sites.  There also sounds to be more than a grain of truth in the theory relating the cignus constellation / milkyway rift, and the 'transmigration' of the soul, and in your summing up, one idea that wouldn't have crossed my mind - an ancient neolithic maternity ward ;) - a bit like the 'moonchild' of notorious bygone authors. I think you are doing a good job of filling in a blank, its a shame that there is such an inertia to take theories like these onboard in conventional archaeology ( lets not forget that Hipparchus is 'officially' the first astronomer to note the phenomenom or precession.)- I think if the cap fits, we shouldn't neccesarily wear it, but we surely can't do any harm trying it on.

I was listening to the radio last week, and they were talking about the difference between a space and a location.  location being a familiarization of a space, once you start to familiarize yourself with the night sky (playing with google sky etc, then the heavens take on a whole new aspect, and can quickly become a pre-occupation).

btw, I see your quite economical with your posts, hope you come out of your shell a bit, myself and a few otheres I dare say would enjoy your input.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 11:12 PM

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I dont think that Gobekli Tepe have any cosmic blue print.
You can draw anything on constellations.
And conect any dots you like. For example if we must named certain constellations rightnow we would named them bicycle, television, DNA...

Edited by the L, 16 March 2013 - 11:23 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 11:44 PM

they forgot about the big dipper ....

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:10 AM

View PostAndrew B Collins, on 16 March 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

Hi, to everyone on the forum.

Just to let you know I have posted a brand new article on Gobekli Tepe's astronomical alignments, and their implications to the site's construction and original function. I would be happy for any comments or feedback. The link is:

http://www.andrewcol...les/Gobekli.htm

It is confirmation also of the incredible role played by Cygnus and the Milky Way's Dark Rift in the cosmological beliefs of the Upper Paleolithic age and, later, among the early Neolithic peoples of Anatolia. These are incredible revelations that entirely alter our currently held views on the mindset of the Pre-Pottery Neolithic world (Collins 2013).

Have briefly reviewed your submission. At this point, personal evaluation would be that said submission is so flawed that it is not even wrong.

While you do attempt to incorporate a minimal amount of credible data, the presentation is laden with unsubstantiated extrapolations. One may wish to consider factors such as timeline, population movement, genetics, etc., etc. before associating Gobekli Tepe with such cultural elements as those of dynastic Egypt.

You are correct in your utilization of cautionary language in the earlier sections of the presentation. However, you would appear to promptly gloss over these aspects in order to reach a "conclusion" that is far from having well-researched substantiation.

As a last note, the interpretation of the cosmological belief systems of past cultures, particularly those of notably earlier periods, is quite problematic and subject to the influence of more current perceptual perspectives.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 03:53 AM

ohh. now I see, your the dood who reckons there are a system of caves starting from the tromb of the birds... around giza.  that throws a different light on things :whistle:

well, as i said, introduce yourself and thrash your ideas out  - please...

Edited by bom shankra, 17 March 2013 - 03:56 AM.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:54 AM

He doesn't need an introduction. he's been here before, in another ID.
There were long discussions on the caves/tunnels etc.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:05 AM

maybe him and zoser should meet up for drinks..


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:07 AM

The squares above the bird and ball (soul) on the pictured stones , they seem to have a handle which makes them look like handbags  ??

Look for pictures of the fishgod (the god thought to have inspired the bishops mitre )and they look like the items that many of these Gods are shown carrying. ??


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:42 AM

hello Andrew,

i realize some bash your work because they may no believe it or they prefer to
believe in the belt stars of orion  aka known as "OCT" or have some other idea's.
but i look at it all  information is valuable in some way, good or bad.

5 years ago i  just glance at gobeki tepe after reading some of it online and your webpage on it, thinking
these circles could indeed  perhaps being focus on the sky-heavens for solar and stellar symbolism in as in rising and setting.

but i glad you gone back and have taken the time to go back and look at Gobeki Tepe after looking at it long ago.

anyhow, i just love the picture, with the stone with the hole in it, if your the first to report in online,

anyhow love the vulture symbolism you posted there,
and Enclosure D's  with stone with the  hole you posted just really sticks out
thanks for posting

Edited by samspade, 17 March 2013 - 12:32 PM.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:18 AM

Good article,and a good suggestion.Should be looked into more deeply.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:52 PM

View Postthe L, on 16 March 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

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Hi and welcome to UM! :D
I dont think that Gobekli Tepe have any cosmic blue print.
You can draw anything on constellations.
And conect any dots you like. For example if we must named certain constellations rightnow we would named them bicycle, television, DNA...

Damned who would have thought, but me and L actually agree on something. :huh:

View PostDingoLingo, on 17 March 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

maybe him and zoser should meet up for drinks..

......and neither of them agreeing upon anything and telling the other they are wrong. Talk about a drink.... :P

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:51 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 19 March 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

Damned who would have thought, but me and L actually agree on something. :huh:


You would be surprised how many things we have in common. We only dont agree on small amounts of things. But just because you and I are strict for details (again similarity) makes our argument spicy.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:02 AM

View PostAndrew B Collins, on 16 March 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

I have posted a brand new article on Gobekli Tepe's astronomical alignments, and their implications to the site's construction and original function. I would be happy for any comments or feedback. The link is:

http://www.andrewcol...les/Gobekli.htm

Andrew can you confirn something, there seems to be a difference in opinion, namely on your webpage have alignment  of center pillars by Rodney Hale   and you mentions this
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"He examined published and unpublished survey plans of the monuments at Göbekli Tepe and determined that the central pillars in Enclosures B, C, D and E (the "Felsentempel", or "rock temple", located to the west of the main group) are all aligned just west of north, and, equally, just east of south, in the following manner:

Enclosure B 337°/157°
Enclosure C 345°/165°
Enclosure D 353°/173°
Enclosure E 350°/170°

The twin pillars marking the entrance to an apse-like feature at the northern end of Enclosure A were turned much further west. Indeed, they were orientated 312°/132°, just three degrees off northwest-southeast"

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special note the center pillars,
haley does not share the same opinion of Paul Burley,
paul burley claims
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"two T-shaped pillars placed off center within each structure and aligned generally in a northeast-southwest direction"
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Paul Burley feels the center pillars run NE TO SW  but
Rodney Hale feels they run aligned just west of north

who do you feel is correct and why is there a difference of opinion ?

Edited by samspade, 21 March 2013 - 04:06 AM.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:58 PM

Hi Andrew! Interesting theory... Perhaps, in order to help people new to your work understand it in its proper context, you might like to give us some background? As I understand it, some years ago you theorized that in prehistoric times, a supernova in the constellation Cygnus bombarded the Earth with radiation, which fortuitously resulted in primitive hominids mutating into homo sapiens.

The newly sentient species somehow - I forget the details, but as I recall they were a bit sketchy - knew that cosmic rays had been very important for them, and furthermore, knew which part of the sky they'd come from, therefore all early civilizations must have attached vast importance to Cygnus, even if conventional archaeology has frequently failed to spot this.

Am I basically correct? Because if you're not looking at the layout of an ancient temple and seeing if any interesting patterns can be found, and then figuring out what they might represent, but deciding in advance that, because of another highly speculative theory held only by yourself, one particular pattern must be there somewhere, it throws things into a different perspective, does it not?





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