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#331    preacherman76

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:46 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 18 March 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

IS this how we deal with people now...shoot them without evaluation

What wasnt evaluated? Person breaking into a home, check. Any other info you feel you have to gather you do at the risk of you and your families lives.

I pray to God I never ever have to shoot anyone. Or even ever have to point a gun at anyone. But if you are breaking into my home, im not risking the lives of my one and seven year old sons to find out what your intentions are.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:08 AM

View PostThe Skater Boy, on 20 March 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

Ha ha ha. Not likely. Maybe it's my soft British culture (must be that WW2 thing, huh? ;)) but I wouldn't dream of shooting someone unless they were going to shoot me first or were coming at me with another weapon.

It was a 16 year old boy, jesus christ. He didn't have to be shot dead. If he was that drunk, presumably he could barely walk straight. Some threat.

So let me get this straight.  Someone has to be pointing a gun with their finger on the trigger at you or your kids for you to act to defend them?  I wouldn't you watching my back.  I'd be dead.  Pretty sad you would allow a family member of your to take a bullet to the face before you would act to defend them.

The man had every right to defend himself and his family.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:11 AM

This is one of those no win situations.  A person has the right to defend their home, family, and belongings.  I don't think that homeowner was planning to shoot the neighbor boy but he was probably scared for his family.  Unfortunately he probably didn't have the presence of mind to shoot to disable.  What if it really was an armed burglar?  This is a horrible accident, that teenager and his friends made a fatal mistake.  Sad.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:17 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 20 March 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

This is one of those no win situations.  A person has the right to defend their home, family, and belongings.  I don't think that homeowner was planning to shoot the neighbor boy but he was probably scared for his family.  Unfortunately he probably didn't have the presence of mind to shoot to disable.  What if it really was an armed burglar?  This is a horrible accident, that teenager and his friends made a fatal mistake.  Sad.

Well, you know this homeowner is going to feel terrible for it, that's sad but he did the right thing.  But any decent man in his situation would have done the same thing.  I would give my life and would kill to ensure my family's safety, their the most important people in the world.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:51 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 20 March 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

What wasnt evaluated? Person breaking into a home, check. Any other info you feel you have to gather you do at the risk of you and your families lives.

I pray to God I never ever have to shoot anyone. Or even ever have to point a gun at anyone. But if you are breaking into my home, im not risking the lives of my one and seven year old sons to find out what your intentions are.
Now we have a bit more info, (later posts) shows he did confront the youth and had time to evaluate the situation......we have moved on since that.  We may even get more info, hence once other points are established we move on again..............keep up.

Edited by freetoroam, 20 March 2013 - 01:51 PM.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:55 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 20 March 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Now we have a bit more info, (later posts) shows he did confront the youth and had time to evaluate the situation......we have moved on since that.  We may even get more info, hence once other points are established we move on again..............keep up.

Later posts by people on here?  Or facts from reliable sources?  23 pages is too many for me to through.

EDIT: The kid is the one to blame here.  Alcohol didn't get him killed, and neither did the gun.  His stupid decision to get flat out trashed was the reason he was shot.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:57 PM

View PostCollateral Damage, on 20 March 2013 - 12:39 AM, said:

Thank you! No matter what, people who are anti-gun will constantly blame the homeowner, and they make complete fools of themselves doing so. I can't understand their logic whatsoever.
Why don`t you get it? I am not blaming the home owner outright, I am saying there was no need to have killed him outright, the owner had the advantage as we have established his position on the stairs, the state of the youth and the fact that the owner was the one with the pointed gun.
You always turn this to say we are anti gun, WRONG!!! i am anti using your gun to shoot and kill when it was not necessary!

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:59 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 20 March 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Now we have a bit more info, (later posts) shows he did confront the youth and had time to evaluate the situation......we have moved on since that.  We may even get more info, hence once other points are established we move on again..............keep up.

Well I jumped in on the conversation late, and really didnt want to read 22 pages of comments. Besides my comment was more in general responding directly to the post I quoted.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:05 PM

View PostCRYSiiSx2, on 20 March 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Later posts by people on here?  Or facts from reliable sources?  23 pages is too many for me to through.
Links to the news items. Can`t be ar$ed to look actually,  am going to move on to something else for a bit, maybe a bit of bigfoot debunking.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:13 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 20 March 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Links to the news items. Can`t be ar$ed to look actually,  am going to move on to something else for a bit, maybe a bit of bigfoot debunking.

I read every single post here this morning and now all I want to do is "shoot myself"....

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:05 PM

View Postxsas, on 20 March 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I read every single post here this morning and now all I want to do is "shoot myself"....

Just break into a random home early in the morning. Apparently, you'll be evaluated first. LMAO!

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:10 PM

View PostKowalski, on 19 March 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

If the guy, had a baseball bat, instead of a gun, (some people keep baseball bats by their beds) and hit the kid in the head with it, thinking it was an intruder/burglar, and the kid died, would we be saying homeowners shouldn't have baseball bats??
The owner would have to run over the the teenager and maybe the teenager would of been able to say something or get out or hide quick


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:14 PM

View PostCRYSiiSx2, on 20 March 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Later posts by people on here?  Or facts from reliable sources?  23 pages is too many for me to through.

EDIT: The kid is the one to blame here.  Alcohol didn't get him killed, and neither did the gun.  His stupid decision to get flat out trashed was the reason he was shot.
well being drunk makes you do stupid descions


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:23 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 20 March 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:


well being drunk makes you do stupid descions
That's why I don't get why people are blaming the gun.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:24 PM

View PostCRYSiiSx2, on 20 March 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

That's why I don't get why people are blaming the gun.
Nobody is blaming the gun. The question is if the killing was justified. Doesn't matter how he killed him.





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