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#1    monk 56

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:57 PM

The Mandelbrot Set has been called the thumbprint of god, and deep in its sequence we see the Golden Spiral, i feel both are connected by fractal geometry and PHI.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Golden_spiral

http://en.wikipedia....ibonacci_number

A good web-site on the Mandelbrot Set is below, with video's with Arthur C. Clarke:-

http://www.misterx.c...int_of_God.html

I have a great love of geometry....okay also Sacred Geometry ha ha!  But perhaps looking for how we were created would be better by math, geometry and FRACTALS, and not as yet peering at the stars!

My other great love is PHI, a good book is "The Story of Phi, the World's most astonishing number" by Mario Livio, who is head of the Space Telescope Science Institute, that operate the Hubble Space Telescope, links below:-

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Mario_Livio

http://www.mariolivi...by-mario-livio/

We may wonder if math, geometry and fractals can tell us something about our genesis?


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:01 PM

Carl Sagan based his book Contact on that premise - the book is much better than the movie btw.  I agree it is a fascinating number but then I am no mathematician and can't claim to know if it's significance is deeper than "fascinating" tbh.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

Hi libstaK,

I value your comment, the math equation on any of this can change but mean the same thing with PHI, but to translate to Geometry don't think 1.618.....for the average person they need to see visual geometry, so the best equation that means the same as this with PHI is 5^.5*.5+.5..........just get FIVE in your brain!

http://www.goldennumber.net/five-phi/

Obviously there is a mystical side to me that wants to find my creator, but my geometry will hold true but only a THEORY in Geometry as we go forward to comments, obviously i have written about this before but i feel this is the best forum for debate, i long for a good natured debate with Harte, but don't want a bulldog thread where all are biting each other, i hope for polite debate!


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:00 AM

Before looking at visual math, we have to look at corrupt religious meaning, the most famous fractal of Phi is THE PENTAGRAM, and there is a lot of corruption here, any society involved in building before skyscrapers will know that geometry was used, so it isn't any wonder that masons are interested in PHI:-

http://freemasonry.b...m/golden_ratio/

This explains in symbolism why the Washington Monument is 555 feet and 5 inches tall:-

http://en.wikipedia....ington_Monument

It also explains why there is a Pentagram in the street plan of Washington D.C.

So here we must look for religious corruption of math thesis, it was Eliphas Levi that said that an inverted Pentagram was satanic in the 19th Century, this is a corruption!

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Eliphas_Levi

This led to images like below that frighten, however please note i wish no connection to cult below:-

http://en.wikipedia....Church_of_Satan

The Pentagram as a fractal will go opposite to continue getting smaller by 180* degrees, to get mathematical appraisal we must not be spooked by religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram

You need a fractal geometry eye with shape changing, i only know some of the instructions, without sometimes knowing how shape will turn out!


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:35 AM

Obviously Phi, art and architecture we can only follow back with geometry to the ancient Greeks, but you will find Phi in a great deal of renaissance buildings as math goes back to the dawn of us!

http://en.wikipedia....al_architecture


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:34 PM

Hi Harte,

Like you i'm just a frail human that can make mistakes, we can join in polite debate....i really need your analysis in polite debate, i know geometry as a school master is a pet subject for you!

Have a scotch and reply ha ha!.....in good humour!

Edited by monk 56, 26 March 2013 - 12:42 PM.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:43 AM

View Postmonk 56, on 25 March 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Hi libstaK,

I value your comment, the math equation on any of this can change but mean the same thing with PHI, but to translate to Geometry don't think 1.618.....for the average person they need to see visual geometry, so the best equation that means the same as this with PHI is 5^.5*.5+.5..........just get FIVE in your brain!

http://www.goldennumber.net/five-phi/

Obviously there is a mystical side to me that wants to find my creator, but my geometry will hold true but only a THEORY in Geometry as we go forward to comments, obviously i have written about this before but i feel this is the best forum for debate, i long for a good natured debate with Harte, but don't want a bulldog thread where all are biting each other, i hope for polite debate!

I'm not exactly known for "polite debate," but as long as a person doesn't make silly claims, I have no problem with phi.

Math does describne many things - pretty much everything.  It's not surprising that we can find a mathematical quantity that describes the way things grow, as phi seems to do (in fact, does quite well with certain things - like the chambered nautilus for example.)

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:38 AM

Hi Harte,

Thank you for joining this debate about fractal theory and geometry, my first thought on seeing the first sequence of the Mandelbrot set was the big fat CARDIOID, i saw a mirror image to the Golden Spiral in geometry, please comment on diagram below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4647&mode=view

i'm not creating any pressure to reply, i'm just showing the shape changing nature of geometry when you have the eye in geometry!


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:03 AM

View Postmonk 56, on 27 March 2013 - 04:38 AM, said:

Hi Harte,

Thank you for joining this debate about fractal theory and geometry, my first thought on seeing the first sequence of the Mandelbrot set was the big fat CARDIOID, i saw a mirror image to the Golden Spiral in geometry, please comment on diagram below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4647&mode=view

i'm not creating any pressure to reply, i'm just showing the shape changing nature of geometry when you have the eye in geometry!

The Mandelbrot set is shaped sort of like a cardioid, and so is my avatar.

But neither one is an actual cardioid, you know.

Re your pic.  You know that Venus' orbit is only an ellipse, right?  What you're showing there is the apparent motion of Venus viewed from an Earth perspective.  Seems silly to say this obvious thing, but on sites like these, you never know.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:05 AM

Obviously an envelope Cardioid can have any number of circles, but by luck i saw something below with an envelope cardioid that had the right number of circles, can you see what i see with PHI?

http://mathworld.wol...m/Cardioid.html


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:12 AM

Hi Harte,

I'm fully aware that the Venus Retrograde motion orbit of this is only seen in symbolism from Earth, but there is another side to this being religious corruption that is already mentioned


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:15 AM

Don't know about that.

But the math of the retrograde motion is perfectly valid, so the shape is there - in the math anyway.

Dude, I've got to go to bed.  I gots kids to teach tomorrow and it's midnioght now.

See ya.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:53 AM

Dear Harte,

You have no idea how much i respect you in geometry, geometry is only theory in math, by debate we may be valued as "Bozo's" ha ha!

http://www.urbandict...e.php?term=bozo

Lets laugh in debate....it is only geometry math, obviously i come from a different school from you being Metaphysics, hell have a drink and laugh:-

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:11 PM

View Postmonk 56, on 27 March 2013 - 05:05 AM, said:

Obviously an envelope Cardioid can have any number of circles, but by luck i saw something below with an envelope cardioid that had the right number of circles, can you see what i see with PHI?

http://mathworld.wol...m/Cardioid.html

Are you suggesting something like this, the orbit of Venus as seen from Earth:

Posted Image

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Edited by Abramelin, 27 March 2013 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:58 PM

View Postmonk 56, on 27 March 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

Dear Harte,

You have no idea how much i respect you in geometry, geometry is only theory in math, by debate we may be valued as "Bozo's" ha ha!

http://www.urbandict...e.php?term=bozo

Lets laugh in debate....it is only geometry math, obviously i come from a different school from you being Metaphysics, hell have a drink and laugh:-
Laugh?  I'm far too serious for that, right fellers? :innocent:

I can't debate you if I agree with you Monk.  So, say something stupid so I can shoot you down!

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