Jump to content




Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries! Please sign in or create an account to start posting and to access a host of extra features.


* * * * * 1 votes

Born of water


  • Please log in to reply
49 replies to this topic

#16    No-thingBornPassion

No-thingBornPassion

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,369 posts
  • Joined:16 Jan 2012
  • Gender:Not Selected

  • (Christian) Gnosticism also has the Holy Spirit, Christ(os), Jesus, LOVE...and God. Father, as the "Dazzling Darkness."

Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 03 April 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

I have no belief system; I think beliefs are evil things that get in the way of clear thought.  All we should have are opinions that we hold with varying degrees of assurance depending on the quality of the evidence.

I'm curious about Christianity and where it came from, and I am also curious about words that Christians bandy about, like "holy" that to me are empty -- just slogans that make them feel good.  Sorry to be so blunt, but the bit about "planting seeds" has been said before (I think by Jesus if memory serves) and is not a tired old worn out phrase -- a cliche.  Use of such expressions does not persuade, it only causes ridicule, although in my case since I'm not prone to ridicule it just causes me to look at the sky.
I hear you. Well said. On the other hand, the Bible deeply touches my heart and dramatically changing my life. Again, no judgment here. We are all finding our way. It just happens that Jesus has the best offer around, and that's where I'm at in my life.

My break is over, back to work.

Peace.

https://www.youtube....ix3pVUX86yBWWzS  (playlist )    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008232820397

According to Gnosticism, Christ came to world to give us a way out; so, why is Gnosticism so secretive and elitist when it comes to salvation??
“Moses approached the dark cloud where God was.”

#17    Sherapy

Sherapy

    Sheri loves Sean loves Sheri...

  • Member
  • 22,653 posts
  • Joined:14 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:At the Beach-- San Pedro, California

  • Dysfunctional you can fix.

Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:52 PM

View Postbraveone2u, on 03 April 2013 - 01:27 PM, said:

Hi Abba mudda,

Something in you has to die for this "resurrection" to happen, to be "born again." Otherwise, one wouldn't understand the magnitude of being "born again." One wouldn't bother with it, to begin with, because one really has to feel it in one's heart that one is ready to accept a new MAJOR reality. "Dying" is not just one time. If you're full of yourself...go figure.

It's a transformation.


"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

"Jesus replied, 'Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.'" John 14:23

Basically, one is being made into a Christ-like person through the Holy Spirit's sanctification. It's the only way to stay in the "unconditional love" presence of Jesus, God. It has nothing to do with snakes, at least in the Christian context.

"You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it came, and where it goes: so is everyone that is born of the Spirit."  John 3:7-8

A "born again" Christian follows the will of the Holy Spirit (God, Christ), for he or she is a temple of God. When the Spirit enters one's being, it sometimes feels like a wind out of nowhere, or a refreshing running spring, so I've heard people say...


Peace to you, Abba.

What is this 'new' reality that you are accepting? Is this a waking up to your own sense of self efficacy? The transformation aspect doesn't make sense in practical terms for me. Thank you for answering.


#18    No-thingBornPassion

No-thingBornPassion

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,369 posts
  • Joined:16 Jan 2012
  • Gender:Not Selected

  • (Christian) Gnosticism also has the Holy Spirit, Christ(os), Jesus, LOVE...and God. Father, as the "Dazzling Darkness."

Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:55 PM

View PostSherapy, on 03 April 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

What is this 'new' reality that you are accepting? Is this a waking up to your own sense of self efficacy? The transformation aspect doesn't make sense in practical terms for me. Thank you for answering.
Hi Sherapy,

For example: there was a time when materiality (materialism) was everything to me. I had more than many people could ever say. Some even say that I had the best of everything. Everything revolved around keeping this ideal going. Unlike the saving grace of Jesus (God, the Holy Spirit), things change, fall away, etcetera. Physical death has a way of shifting things, or at least, the last time I died started my "real" spirituality, even though I wasn't fully in sync with it at that time. It did haunt me, and I could only be so grateful for it.

LINK:  http://www.unexplain...c=242570&st=120

That was just the beginning. After several years went by after coming back to life, I also started losing my precious "things," the tangible "objects" (of my affection) to which I had invested my existence on earth. I'm very conservative when it comes to the "things" I value, but alas, even my careful planning and hard work (slaving away) and brilliant mind and belief in my Self (the "god" in me, a la New Age)...didn't prevent the seemingly neverending collapse, my situation. A modern day Jonah?? (The Book of Jonah parallels my life's story in many ways, or at least the horrors he went through, but in my case, God didn't have a role because of "free choice." I was not a practicing Christian during these "bad" years; therefore, my "free choice" was still intact.) Circle of life, things going in cycles?? The "idols" I had built were destroyed (in my heart!), lost, BUT it's like a passing nightmare once I regained my religious sanity. Truth is, we're all going to lose everything one day. Doors sealed shut but a profound one opens "...to rule them all."

Salvation.

It's a transformation because I'm not in heaven yet. I'm still growing in Christ, becoming Christ-like through the Holy Spirit's guidance. I know my limitations, and that's a blessing (or growth) in itself. The older I get, the more obvious and in-yer-face they become. It is important to know one's limitations. It's the only way to move forward. The time we have on earth is a purification process because our destiny is to become a spirit one day. It's inevitable. Spirit is NOT tangible; therefore, if one still has (earthly, material, physical) INTENSE cravings...go figure. Plus, in the Void, one's senses (including psychic senses, no doubt) are completely useless, for one is totally alone, unless...

Again, every "thing" will fall away one day. One should prepare oneself. The Bible speaks loudly to me, above the rest. Besides, Jesus Christ was there to remove me from that Void. Yes, He has my full allegiance, regardless. That's my bottomline. On the other hand, when I recently realized that He has brought "hope" into my heart, that was the time I became I Christian. This "hope" is to be in paradise with Jesus Christ's everlasting "unconditional love" presence. This "hope" truth came out of nowhere.

Speaking of transformation in motion, I'm traveling lightly nowadays...not just figuratively.


God bless you.

Edited by braveone2u, 03 April 2013 - 11:15 PM.

https://www.youtube....ix3pVUX86yBWWzS  (playlist )    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008232820397

According to Gnosticism, Christ came to world to give us a way out; so, why is Gnosticism so secretive and elitist when it comes to salvation??
“Moses approached the dark cloud where God was.”

#19    Mr Walker

Mr Walker

    Forum Divinity

  • Member
  • 16,481 posts
  • Joined:09 Nov 2005
  • Gender:Not Selected
  • Location:Australia

  • Sometimes the Phantom leaves the jungle, and walks the streets of the city like an ordinary man.

Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:28 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 03 April 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

Well one of you tells me that water is important (not surprising) and the other quotes the Bible; I guess they don't know where the Christian rite came from.

I think it probably came from similar rites of other mystery religions of the time.  It certainly has no Jewish origin.  The Biblical passages sure sound that way -- just more evidence that early Christianity was really a Greek attempt to syncretize Jewish Messianism with Greek neo-Platonist cults, and not a branchoff of Judaism after all.
While much of christianity is jewish in origin (and judaism included aspects of babylonian and egyptian theologies which reverenced water) there are and were different beliefs within judaism  One physical origin of baptism lie in the story of christ's encounter with john the baptist who WAS baptising by immersion in water before christ and WAS a jewish person.

So some elements of judaism did involve baptism, pre christ. (unless you think that story is simply a made up one.)
The tranference of water as a physical to a spiritual healing power is natural.

One origin I read in judaism came from the crossing of the red sea, and the liberation/new life that all jews experienced from that passage 'through" the waters.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

#20    Mr Walker

Mr Walker

    Forum Divinity

  • Member
  • 16,481 posts
  • Joined:09 Nov 2005
  • Gender:Not Selected
  • Location:Australia

  • Sometimes the Phantom leaves the jungle, and walks the streets of the city like an ordinary man.

Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:37 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 03 April 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

I'm not sure you know the meaning of "emulate."  Perhaps "symbolize" would work better (but then I'm not a native English speaker).

What is "sanctify" and how can something have such a "nature."  Just what is the Holy Spirit anyway?  Is it God?  Why does He need a separate spirit, oh, and what makes one thing holy and something else not holy?  My I'm full of questions.

(Clue:  I'm trying to get you to forumulate your belief in real words, not cliches and slogans).
Sanctify is to cleanse or purify. Water has always had this physical and metaphysicla aspect to humans.

Christianity,  in its theology, connects literal physical cleansing by water  (of the body)and spiritual cleansing (of the human spirit) by the holy spirit into one process.

In my experience and understanding the holy sirit is like our will and energy system Our body hosts it and our consciousness directs. it In the trinity, god the father equates to our consciousness, the holy spirit to our energy systems and will, and christ represents our literal physicla creative manipulative and material aspect (although he is also much more than this)

So when god talks to me  and intertfaces with my consciousness in various ways, it is god the father. When his spirit fills me with powerand energy, and heals and transforms me, that  s the holy spirit, and when he appears before me, in literal or symbolic form, to educate, teach, protect etc., that is christ the human avatar of god on earth, and a template for my human body and life.

I also contain those three aspects of self, and each relates to and corresponds to, a part of the trinitarian nature of god.

Ps my suggestion would be that anything which is "of god", be it  material/physical/body  ; mind /consciousness;  or spirit/ nature, is holy, while those things not "of god" are not holy. God  used here is much wider than simply the christian image or understanding of god.

Edited by Mr Walker, 03 April 2013 - 11:41 PM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

#21    SpiritWriter

SpiritWriter

  • Member
  • 4,039 posts
  • Joined:21 Jun 2012
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:in the ground

  • How is the appearance of my house that His ghost could come in among my dwelling?

    :-*

Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:45 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 03 April 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

Well one of you tells me that water is important (not surprising) and the other quotes the Bible; I guess they don't know where the Christian rite came from.

I think it probably came from similar rites of other mystery religions of the time.  It certainly has no Jewish origin.  The Biblical passages sure sound that way -- just more evidence that early Christianity was really a Greek attempt to syncretize Jewish Messianism with Greek neo-Platonist cults,

*** and not a branchoff of Judaism after all.

Really Frank, you think Christianity doesn't stem from Judaism?



The letter kills but The Spirit gives life. 2 Corinthians 3:6

Non-ambiguity and non-contradiction are one sided and thus unsuited to express the incomprehensible. -Jung

#22    Mr Walker

Mr Walker

    Forum Divinity

  • Member
  • 16,481 posts
  • Joined:09 Nov 2005
  • Gender:Not Selected
  • Location:Australia

  • Sometimes the Phantom leaves the jungle, and walks the streets of the city like an ordinary man.

Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:52 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 03 April 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

I have no belief system; I think beliefs are evil things that get in the way of clear thought.  All we should have are opinions that we hold with varying degrees of assurance depending on the quality of the evidence.

I'm curious about Christianity and where it came from, and I am also curious about words that Christians bandy about, like "holy" that to me are empty -- just slogans that make them feel good.  Sorry to be so blunt, but the bit about "planting seeds" has been said before (I think by Jesus if memory serves) and is not a tired old worn out phrase -- a cliche.  Use of such expressions does not persuade, it only causes ridicule, although in my case since I'm not prone to ridicule it just causes me to look at the sky.
Cliches often begin from and derive from self evident truths,  metaphorical or allegorical connections, and powerful language. Just because they are old does not make them either untrue or trite. That is your mind doing this.

Most cliches contain words of truth and power. eg "rom an acorn a mighty oak tree grows". "A stitch in time saves nine," and so on. They were used in times when society was not literate as teaching/ learning tools, as were children's rhymes and other songs.   Your response to words is your own. It does not/ may not, reflect either the writer's intent or the response of other people. Words, and epsecially words symolising powerful things, have great power and influence . Ridicaule and disparagement does not diminish such power. The "grain of mustard seed" analogy gives an image of how one of the smallest seeds in nature can grow into something large and important, and illusratrates how ideas evolve in the same way.  Fuller or Everettt or Johnston, or who ever wrote about the acorn, was symbolising the same concept, centuries later.

Edited by Mr Walker, 03 April 2013 - 11:58 PM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

#23    desert palm tree

desert palm tree

    Alien Embryo

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 88 posts
  • Joined:25 Mar 2013
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Addis Abeba, Ethiopia

Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:11 PM

Oromo is ideal Man for this generation, who will baptize by water, spirit, fire, Holy ghost : Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus. . . on the name of one God. Oromo guides humankind from all traditions and religions to  Water and Mountain of God symbolicaly where Oromo went up to it and baptized himself . No one could be better than him, because he has Saffu best ethical law compared to other human laws, gada law compared west democracy. And he was and is teacher of spirituality.


#24    Frank Merton

Frank Merton

    Blue fish

  • Member
  • 14,916 posts
  • Joined:22 Jan 2013
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

  • fmerton.blogspot.com

Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:52 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 03 April 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

Really Frank, you think Christianity doesn't stem from Judaism?
It depends on how you define "stems from."  It stems from Isiah as read in the Greek LXX where "Jesus of Nazareth" is predicted (except that in the Hebrew the passage is more like "a branch of the stem of Jesse").  Given this mistake, a Greek looking for a way to combine Greek neoplatonic mystery religious ideas with Judaism (a highly respected religion of the day) and not having access to the Hebrew text of the Bible might actually come to believe in a sacrificed and resurrected Jesus (i.e., someone very much like Paul or someone preceding him).Later the stories (myths) about this Jesus' life on earth evolved and maybe fifty years later got written down.Baptism, not a Jewish ritual at all, but a common one in Greek mystery cults, fits this, so we presume in order for their Jesus to fit into the mystery religion someone initiating him (i.e., here comes John) does these things never heard of in Judaism called baptisms.Perhaps the best giveaway of all this is that the Christianity is so un-Jewish.  For example they show no hint of any knowledge of the Tetrammagaton (not included in the LXX lest non-Jews learn of it).  They don't follow the Law and indeed try to replace it.  Jesus is full of neo-Platonic stories and platitudes.  The entire betrayal and death and resurrection "for our sins" is right out of any mystery cult.Then there is the perennial problem of "Nazareth," not even founded for three more centuries and then in a place that does not at all fit the geography of the Gospels.


#25    Frank Merton

Frank Merton

    Blue fish

  • Member
  • 14,916 posts
  • Joined:22 Jan 2013
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

  • fmerton.blogspot.com

Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:01 PM

I think maybe my problem with the cliche of Christians planting seeds, about as Bible as it gets, is the idea that they are doing "God's work," saving people "for God," and so on.  This strikes me as arrogant to the point of being dangerous.  What do you do if they reject God?  Do you then continue doing "God's work" and destroy the infidels?

However, all I did was suggest he try to find something fresher: that it would be more effective.  Actually such cliches -- even the ones you cited -- are painful to hear.  Now of course a cliche to one person is an ancient word of wisdom to another -- I understand that.


#26    Sherapy

Sherapy

    Sheri loves Sean loves Sheri...

  • Member
  • 22,653 posts
  • Joined:14 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:At the Beach-- San Pedro, California

  • Dysfunctional you can fix.

Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:01 PM

View Postbraveone2u, on 03 April 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

Hi Sherapy,

For example: there was a time when materiality (materialism) was everything to me. I had more than many people could ever say. Some even say that I had the best of everything. Everything revolved around keeping this ideal going. Unlike the saving grace of Jesus (God, the Holy Spirit), things change, fall away, etcetera. Physical death has a way of shifting things, or at least, the last time I died started my "real" spirituality, even though I wasn't fully in sync with it at that time. It did haunt me, and I could only be so grateful for it.

LINK:  http://www.unexplain...c=242570&st=120

That was just the beginning. After several years went by after coming back to life, I also started losing my precious "things," the tangible "objects" (of my affection) to which I had invested my existence on earth. I'm very conservative when it comes to the "things" I value, but alas, even my careful planning and hard work (slaving away) and brilliant mind and belief in my Self (the "god" in me, a la New Age)...didn't prevent the seemingly neverending collapse, my situation. A modern day Jonah?? (The Book of Jonah parallels my life's story in many ways, or at least the horrors he went through, but in my case, God didn't have a role because of "free choice." I was not a practicing Christian during these "bad" years; therefore, my "free choice" was still intact.) Circle of life, things going in cycles?? The "idols" I had built were destroyed (in my heart!), lost, BUT it's like a passing nightmare once I regained my religious sanity. Truth is, we're all going to lose everything one day. Doors sealed shut but a profound one opens "...to rule them all."

Salvation.

It's a transformation because I'm not in heaven yet. I'm still growing in Christ, becoming Christ-like through the Holy Spirit's guidance. I know my limitations, and that's a blessing (or growth) in itself. The older I get, the more obvious and in-yer-face they become. It is important to know one's limitations. It's the only way to move forward. The time we have on earth is a purification process because our destiny is to become a spirit one day. It's inevitable. Spirit is NOT tangible; therefore, if one still has (earthly, material, physical) INTENSE cravings...go figure. Plus, in the Void, one's senses (including psychic senses, no doubt) are completely useless, for one is totally alone, unless...

Again, every "thing" will fall away one day. One should prepare oneself. The Bible speaks loudly to me, above the rest. Besides, Jesus Christ was there to remove me from that Void. Yes, He has my full allegiance, regardless. That's my bottomline. On the other hand, when I recently realized that He has brought "hope" into my heart, that was the time I became I Christian. This "hope" is to be in paradise with Jesus Christ's everlasting "unconditional love" presence. This "hope" truth came out of nowhere.

Speaking of transformation in motion, I'm traveling lightly nowadays...not just figuratively.


God bless you.

Ah, I get it you had a perspective change and  are well  on your way to cultivating ego integrity. For me, this is quite common as a result of near death experiences or other life altering events. One tends to meet up with this sense of gratitude that was not in full bloom prior. Personally, I do not think the path is as important as the actions ones takes as a result of their experiences.  I think the path is a matter of fit more then anything else. All the best to you and enjoy. Thank you for sharing.


#27    No-thingBornPassion

No-thingBornPassion

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,369 posts
  • Joined:16 Jan 2012
  • Gender:Not Selected

  • (Christian) Gnosticism also has the Holy Spirit, Christ(os), Jesus, LOVE...and God. Father, as the "Dazzling Darkness."

Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:25 PM

View PostSherapy, on 04 April 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Ah, I get it you had a perspective change and  are well  on your way to cultivating ego integrity. For me, this is quite common as a result of near death experiences or other life altering events. One tends to meet up with this sense of gratitude that was not in full bloom prior. Personally, I do not think the path is as important as the actions ones takes as a result of their experiences.  I think the path is a matter of fit more then anything else. All the best to you and enjoy. Thank you for sharing.
Hi Sherapy,

"Ego integrity" makes it sound so neat and simple. Plus, my definition of "ego" is not the same as Erikson's. When I think of "ego," I see it through the eyes of an "Awakened" being (as in "Awakening"). Therefore, my existence on earth (now) has nothing to do with "ego." I'm looking at my life nowadays through the lens of my eternal "presence" (soul). The old braveone2u (it's old "story"), before the Lazarus Syndrome, is really dead. The braveone2u nowadays has no "ego," intrinsically.

My "path," even though it has a brand called Christianity, is strictly based on my in-yer-face contact with that wonderful Being, who exuded this "unconditional love" presence, while I was in the Void. Also, the "Holy Spirit" has added me to His list, so to speak. My actual "path" is to know everything about this wonderful Being, who saved me from that place of utter nothingness. The Christian Bible is a road to learn about this wonderful Being. I also have my Kundalini Yoga Meditation Teacher credential (and it's nothing to sneeze at). I was also a Feng Shui wizard. I'm constantly learning about ancient Gods, etc. I'm a man of many gifts, not to mention being a prodigy and a published writer. In short, I have all these things to learn about this SAVIOR of my "presence."

Forming another "ego" is the last thing I need. I hope I don't have another lifetime.
:lol: Have you ever heard the concept of "awakening" (as in Bart Marshall)?

There's so much to learn and I'm going to spend the rest of my lifetime learning about this wonderful Being. Some say it's made up of 2; however, I have only met one, and that was 13 years ago. Kind of late for "ego integrity," don't you think?


It's not enough to just read. One must have a personal encounter with the Being to whom one places one's trust and faith.

God bless you, Sherapy.

Edited by braveone2u, 04 April 2013 - 11:03 PM.

https://www.youtube....ix3pVUX86yBWWzS  (playlist )    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008232820397

According to Gnosticism, Christ came to world to give us a way out; so, why is Gnosticism so secretive and elitist when it comes to salvation??
“Moses approached the dark cloud where God was.”

#28    No-thingBornPassion

No-thingBornPassion

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,369 posts
  • Joined:16 Jan 2012
  • Gender:Not Selected

  • (Christian) Gnosticism also has the Holy Spirit, Christ(os), Jesus, LOVE...and God. Father, as the "Dazzling Darkness."

Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:46 PM

There's an interesting film called The Ninth Gate by Roman Polanski. It's about how certain individuals change the original book's pictures, etc... Many versions were printed to deliberately confuse the seekers.

It's no different today, for we are all trying to find our way back to "paradise." Have you ever heard the saying, "There are no gifts -- you deserve everything you get"? There are certain people who hold piece(s) to solve the puzzle. And we have the miracle of the internet to share...truths or ideas. Plus, we have a ticking clock because we don't live very long -- a 100 years, perhaps, at most? Therefore, we really have to exploit this miracle called the internet.

Edited by braveone2u, 04 April 2013 - 11:59 PM.

https://www.youtube....ix3pVUX86yBWWzS  (playlist )    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008232820397

According to Gnosticism, Christ came to world to give us a way out; so, why is Gnosticism so secretive and elitist when it comes to salvation??
“Moses approached the dark cloud where God was.”

#29    MR.Blueprint

MR.Blueprint

    Remote Viewer

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 529 posts
  • Joined:05 Jul 2012
  • Gender:Male

  • "Nothing Stays The Same" -Thomas Blueprint

Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:29 AM

View PostAbba mudda, on 27 March 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

Who is born of water and spirit ?
Regeneration , born again : of water and spirit: born of God. This is Jesus doctrine. Water, Serpent is a symbol of spirituality , power, wave, electromagnetic spectrum. Snakes understands almost all kind of vibrations from sonic to cosmic rays. We are all the children of serpents, wisdom and love.
  In Oromo and ancient Egyptian cosmology, Oromo or Atum created from or out of water. Oromo came from mada walaabu. Infinite ocean of water and spirit  no one knows " where it comes from and where it is going. "


i think being born of water and being baptized symbolize a person who has loss conscience after being under water too long and a person who has been to the otha side

"Ignorance has no place in a debate" -Dr. Thomas Blueprint

#30    No-thingBornPassion

No-thingBornPassion

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,369 posts
  • Joined:16 Jan 2012
  • Gender:Not Selected

  • (Christian) Gnosticism also has the Holy Spirit, Christ(os), Jesus, LOVE...and God. Father, as the "Dazzling Darkness."

Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:52 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 04 April 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

I think maybe my problem with the cliche of Christians planting seeds, about as Bible as it gets, is the idea that they are doing "God's work," saving people "for God," and so on.  This strikes me as arrogant to the point of being dangerous.  What do you do if they reject God?  Do you then continue doing "God's work" and destroy the infidels?

However, all I did was suggest he try to find something fresher: that it would be more effective.  Actually such cliches -- even the ones you cited -- are painful to hear.  Now of course a cliche to one person is an ancient word of wisdom to another -- I understand that.
The problem with language is it limits the experience. I'm planting the seed of "love," my heartfelt experiences. It doesn't have to be a Christian. If I hadn't told you my religion, you probably would have thanked me for being thoughtful; however, you made it clear that you have a "thing" about beliefs in general, even though you are full of your own beliefs.  Knowing a little bit about  your Vietnamese world, I somehow see where your coming from, but not completely because I have some Vietnamese friends who are not anti-beliefs. They also experienced the horrors of the Vietnam War...

Truth is, every time people communicate with one another, they plant a seed. It's inevitable.

Peace.

Edited by braveone2u, 05 April 2013 - 04:53 AM.

https://www.youtube....ix3pVUX86yBWWzS  (playlist )    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008232820397

According to Gnosticism, Christ came to world to give us a way out; so, why is Gnosticism so secretive and elitist when it comes to salvation??
“Moses approached the dark cloud where God was.”




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users